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#28 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [kirstie_h] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 02, 2011 (7:46 pm)

Replying to: kirstie_h (Feb 02, 2011 3:24 pm)
to be honest, Kirstie, I'm just not that surprised. I was hoping to give them (Honda, and I wonder.. but probably Dodge also?) the assumed benefit of the doubt as technology progresses. I guess we can deduce (rightfully so) that some things shouldn't be messed with.
 
The whole principle of shutting off cylinders that are still connected to (and prone to the exact same reciprocating mass, less a power-stroke) the same crankshaft, I have never really been onboard with, no matter how optimistic I have tried to be about the prospects.
Just goes to show..trust your instincts..

#29 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [tallman1] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 02, 2011 (8:06 pm)

Replying to: tallman1 (Feb 02, 2011 3:25 pm)
You know, my bias towards my confidence in Honda as an engine builder, does get questioned from time-to-time. And this is a perfect example.
 
Another, is my (presently still owned and used but not without some serious internal bits attention) 5 hp Honda snowblower. The governor failed (due to a very cheap plastic {actually nylon, but with not enough pork} gear on the very inside of the engine to control the governor. Briggs has perfected that very same governor operation but instead, with a super cheap but effective external, wind-vane governor control. So a person might reflect on this as an over-engineered and complex governor.
"Mr.Honda...you aren't always the perfect engine designer/builder. Don't rest on your laurels just yet. As consumers, (some of us) are watching what you screw up".
 
But lest I get accused of getting on their case too much, I'll add that the engine in my CRV is so smooooth, that if, at times, I have the tunes very loud, sometimes it takes me a few minutes to realize that I forgot to upshift to 5th from 4th as I made my way from a 30 to 35 to 50 mph zone. That's an impressive compliment in case anyone was not sure why I mentioned it..

#30 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [gimmestdtranny] by tallman1

Feb 03, 2011 (12:05 am)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 02, 2011 8:06 pm)
sometimes it takes me a few minutes to realize that I forgot to upshift to 5th from 4th
 
I've had that exact thing happen to me in my 06 Accord. My 95 was much noisier and I could easily hear the engine.

#31 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [tallman1] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 03, 2011 (8:35 am)

Replying to: tallman1 (Feb 03, 2011 12:05 am)
I think they are the same engine aren't they? 04, 05 and 06's. Might be tuned slightly different. Mine is 2354cc 160 hp at 6000 rpm 162 lb-ft at 3600 rpm and CR of 9.6:1. If I were to guess, I'd say in the Accord they might have bumped hp a bit and maybe lost a few lb-ft torque, or if not, then peak is likely above 4000 rpm.
 
Technically though, no two engines come off the assembly line in exactly the same perfect balance. One can extra buttery smooth, and the other one beside it not so much. That becomes more evident if the engine design is a bit raspy to begin with, except non are ever buttery smooth.. (GM's Quad 4, Ford's old 2.3, Chrysler's well...many of their 4's) etc

#32 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [gimmestdtranny] by tallman1

Feb 03, 2011 (10:59 am)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 03, 2011 8:35 am)
Mine is 2354cc 160 hp at 6000 rpm 162 lb-ft at 3600 rpm and CR of 9.6:1. If I were to guess, I'd say in the Accord they might have bumped hp a bit and maybe lost a few lb-ft torque, or if not, then peak is likely above 4000 rpm.
 
You pretty much nailed it... It's the 2354cc i-VTEC engine.
 
Same displacement but HP is 1665800 and Torque is 1604000. Compression Ration is 9.7:1.
 
I absolutely love this car.

#33 of 39 Re: because they give you the ultimate control that no auto on earth can ma by samm43

Mar 19, 2011 (11:26 am)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Jan 28, 2011 9:49 pm)
An impressive and comprehensive list (including a few mentioned later).
Will it convert those who will not be converted? Probably not. Their loss.
I doubt that was your intention though anyway in this day and age.
 
Still, it is cool to see the stick faithful here.
 
Sam

#34 of 39 alas, I admit... by gimmestdtranny

Jan 08, 2013 (12:26 pm)

...there IS a place in the world for an automatic.
 
To be fair, though, to myself..I never claimed there wasn't a place for autos. Anyway, I admit now that due to new health issues, I too will be considering an automatic for my next vehicle. Probably will be a 5 or 6 speed.
 
Standards still suit younger, non arthritic knees and I still maintain they are the transmission of choice for most racing duties.
 
Just an FYI, if you happen to be considering a stick in Toyota Matrix, Corolla and the Pontiac Vibe, first read the entire thread called "Matrix Transmission Problems". It sure proves two things. Not all standard trans have good design or longevity potential no matter how diligent the owner, and also that Toyota dropped the ball on these poor victims who trusted the brand to do the right thing. Reminds me of how Mazda dropped the ball the rust issues on earlier Proteges. That's another enlightening thread to read.

#35 of 39 Re: alas, I admit... [gimmestdtranny] by andys120

Jan 08, 2013 (3:14 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Jan 08, 2013 12:26 pm)
I still maintain they are the transmission of choice for most racing duties.
 
There are no clutch pedals any present day F1 car or prototype sports racing car. Most other classes of race cars are rapidly abandoning the old manual setups since the twin-clutch setups (invented by Porsche) transmit power better and shift much faster.

#36 of 39 Re: alas, I admit... [andys120] by gimmestdtranny

Jan 08, 2013 (4:44 pm)

Replying to: andys120 (Jan 08, 2013 3:14 pm)
Well talk to me when bikes go the same route..oh wait...they are even more prone to breaking lose if the engagement transition isn't babyass smooth..
 
FWIW, I've raced and no one I know would consider racing with an FJ1300 type dual clutch tranny in whatever race bike you wanna prepare..
 
Yes, the technology is getting better because of micro-processing abilities always improving, but think back decades ago before there was any computer on earth...you simply COULD NOT beat the dexterity of a skilled human hand judging clutch takeup and final engagement when hiked over with everything on the cusp of scraping..
 
Anyway, probably you are gonna disagree and I'm going to be ok with that..
 
FWIW #2..I absolutely KNEW someone was going to mention F1 in some context or another. But what did surprise me, was how little time it took..haha.
Cheers, have a good one..

#37 of 39 Re: alas, I admit... [gimmestdtranny] by fintail

Jan 08, 2013 (6:16 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Jan 08, 2013 4:44 pm)
Of course, bikes and cars are kind of apples to oranges - power/weight issues, power delivery systems, and so on.
 
Also, racing is kind of different from everyday riding or driving. If you aren't competing, it becomes less important.
 
I say, bring on more automated clutches on cars and bikes. I like to shift, but I grow tired of clutch work in a car or on a bike. I use the tiptronic feature on my daily driver constantly, and my ancient car with a weird prehistoric non torque converter automatic also gets shifted manually. Most bikes I have ridden have featured stiff neglected clutches - so I just got aggressive and shifted without using it Computer controlled clutches in cars are becoming common, but not on bikes yet - probably due to size/weight issues and cries from luddites who also hate ABS on a bike. Only clutchless bikes I have seen are the unloved Mana, bizarre Honda VFR , and the big FJR. There will be more. Clutchless speed shift (upshift) capability seems to have potential, I know it is on S1000RR and Tuono anyway. Let me shift, but take out a likely needless step in the process.

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