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#20 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [tallman1] by fezo

Feb 02, 2011 (10:53 am)

Replying to: tallman1 (Feb 02, 2011 10:46 am)
Indeed it had an interior that same green. Looks silly now but at the time I liked it enough. In that same time frame they had a light blue, a tan and a dark red. Since I was buying used and a 4 door Accord was what I wanted I had to go with what it was or wait out another one.
 
Our second Accord, a second generation was a dark blue which was much nicer. I'm betting I'd have gotten 200K out of that one if some old guy hadn't run a stop sign and t-boned me back in 1992. My wife still talks about that car - very fondly.

#21 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [tallman1] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 02, 2011 (11:06 am)

Replying to: tallman1 (Feb 02, 2011 10:46 am)
" Interestingly enough, there is no price break if you get the stick on the V6 coupe but there is on the I4."
 
Are they both 6 speeds? If so, then might be optioned a bit differently? They play around sometimes and you're not suppose to notice.
 
I guess we can now officially refer to the good ol' days of the past.

#22 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [gimmestdtranny] by tallman1

Feb 02, 2011 (11:24 am)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 02, 2011 11:06 am)
Are they both 6 speeds? If so, then might be optioned a bit differently? They play around sometimes and you're not suppose to notice.
 
The stick is 6 speeds w/o VCM, the manual is 5 with VCM. Other options are the same. Of course, even at the same price, the manual would be my choice.

#23 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [tallman1] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 02, 2011 (12:04 pm)

Replying to: tallman1 (Feb 02, 2011 11:24 am)
What is VCM? When you said stick, were you referring to the auto? I only ask cuz you said the 5 sp is manual. Sorry I am not up to speed with new Hondas.

#24 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [gimmestdtranny] by tallman1

Feb 02, 2011 (3:12 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 02, 2011 12:04 pm)
Oops, I meant the automatic has 5 speeds. The manual has 6.
 
VCM stands for Variable Cylinder Management. Essentially it shuts off either 2 or 3 of the 6 cylinders when you are cruising at highway speeds in order to save gas. Some people have complained about the roughness and others don't notice. There's a whole forum around here about it.

#25 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [tallman1] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 02, 2011 (3:17 pm)

Replying to: tallman1 (Feb 02, 2011 3:12 pm)
Oh, is that the same tech that was used years ago in the 3.5 V6 that was an optional engine I believe in the Ody van? They claimed about 3 or 4 mpg better.
Or is VCM brand new?
 
Sounds like what they did with Dodge V8's a few years ago.
 
I guess they have perfected it since the old 8-6-4 in the Cadillac's eh? They were a disaster. I guess with today's electronics they can shut of the fuel injectors to the non firing cylinders, and not have the cyl walls washed down with gas.

#26 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [gimmestdtranny] by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST

Feb 02, 2011 (3:24 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 02, 2011 3:17 pm)
Perfected? Depends on who you ask. Some Accord owners aren't fans.
Honda Accord VCM
 
I have no personal experience with this technology - just observing what others are posting.

#27 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [gimmestdtranny] by tallman1

Feb 02, 2011 (3:25 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 02, 2011 3:17 pm)
Yeah, same principal that GM used.
 
And yes, they use that in the Ody and now the Pilot too. The Accord Crosstour also has it... but alas, the Crosstour has no manual available.

#28 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [kirstie_h] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 02, 2011 (7:46 pm)

Replying to: Kirstie@Edmunds (Feb 02, 2011 3:24 pm)
to be honest, Kirstie, I'm just not that surprised. I was hoping to give them (Honda, and I wonder.. but probably Dodge also?) the assumed benefit of the doubt as technology progresses. I guess we can deduce (rightfully so) that some things shouldn't be messed with.
 
The whole principle of shutting off cylinders that are still connected to (and prone to the exact same reciprocating mass, less a power-stroke) the same crankshaft, I have never really been onboard with, no matter how optimistic I have tried to be about the prospects.
Just goes to show..trust your instincts..

#29 of 39 Re: yeah, what he said! ;-) [tallman1] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 02, 2011 (8:06 pm)

Replying to: tallman1 (Feb 02, 2011 3:25 pm)
You know, my bias towards my confidence in Honda as an engine builder, does get questioned from time-to-time. And this is a perfect example.
 
Another, is my (presently still owned and used but not without some serious internal bits attention) 5 hp Honda snowblower. The governor failed (due to a very cheap plastic {actually nylon, but with not enough pork} gear on the very inside of the engine to control the governor. Briggs has perfected that very same governor operation but instead, with a super cheap but effective external, wind-vane governor control. So a person might reflect on this as an over-engineered and complex governor.
"Mr.Honda...you aren't always the perfect engine designer/builder. Don't rest on your laurels just yet. As consumers, (some of us) are watching what you screw up".
 
But lest I get accused of getting on their case too much, I'll add that the engine in my CRV is so smooooth, that if, at times, I have the tunes very loud, sometimes it takes me a few minutes to realize that I forgot to upshift to 5th from 4th as I made my way from a 30 to 35 to 50 mph zone. That's an impressive compliment in case anyone was not sure why I mentioned it..

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