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#1 of 98 Buick Verano
Jan 10, 2011 (2:19 pm)
Buick has announced the upcoming availability beginning in the 2012 model year of a new compact sedan, the Verano, available with a 2.4L DI 4-cylinder or a 2.0L turbocharged 4-cylinder.
#2 of 98 Re: Buick Verano [ab348]
Jan 11, 2011 (7:41 am)
I think people were pleasantly surprised by this model. It looks better than we expected it to and it should perform well with the 2.4L engine. Can't wait to sit in one.
#3 of 98 Verano Looks Great!
Jan 12, 2011 (1:24 am)
Love the pics released this week! Sharp little car that should help Buick move forward. The $22K base price almost sounds too good to be true!
#4 of 98 Verano vs Regal
Jan 17, 2011 (5:33 pm)
I drove a turbo Regal last weekend and was not impressed with the performance of that engine. Also the seats are short, with little support for your legs (kind of like sitting on the edge of a chair) I am 5'9", 150 pounds so am not a big guy. My wife noticed the same thing on the passenger side. I like the concept of a small upscale car and the Verano looks pretty good. I am assuming the turbo motor would move the lighter car with a bit more authority. I am not sure why that 2.0 L is limited to 220hp in the Buick. Didn't it produce 260hp in the Cobalt SS and Solstice GXP? I also drove a turbo Sonata and with +270hp it was much more nimble. BTW, I drove a Lacrosse V-6 and it was superb. It's just more car than I need.
#5 of 98 Verano (and Cruze) Actually Mid-Size
Jan 21, 2011 (9:09 am)
Concerning the Cruze(I was checking for data on the upcoming Verano and noticed this)
NOTE : The EPA database is wrong. It says 94+16. Which is still 110 and should be mid-size. Their site says quite plainly:
Compact 100 to 109
Mid-Size 110 to 119
Actual data directly from GM:
94.6 Cubic Ft. (interior)
15.4 Cubic Ft. (trunk)
http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/news/news_detail.brand_gm.html/content/P- - ages/news/us/en/2010/Jun/0603_cruzepricing
Officially it is exactly 110.0 according to GM. GM seems to be happy to market it as a compact, though. But it's not.
Edmunds should at least change its data to reflect this error. Edmunds has enough clout in the industry so that if anyone questioned it, they would be forced to also change their data as well.
ie - "how come Edmunds has it wrong?" Then they check the EPA data and GM's data and see that it's really mid-size according to the actual numbers.
#6 of 98 Re: Verano (and Cruze) Actually Mid-Size [plekto]
Jan 21, 2011 (12:10 pm)
I got feedback from Edmunds - they apparently correctly classify it as mid-size. Nice to know that people here check the data more carefully than other sites (apparently do )
It's likely that GM has a marketing reason to call it a compact car and is getting the EPA to look the other way.
As for the Verano itself, it looks like you're trading a bit over a cubic foot of room inside for trunk space. The Regal is only 14.2 cubic ft, which is dangerously small. IMO, the Verano is poised to make the Regal completely useless. Virtually the same space inside, but costs less and is 400lbs lighter.
Losing weight cannot be under-stated here. It affects literally everything and the lighter that a car is (within reason) the better everything works. Less stress on components as well. Better MPG. Better handling. Better acceleration. No need for a turbo.
I can't wait for it to come out. I think it will be a game changer for GM.
#7 of 98 Re: Verano (and Cruze) Actually Mid-Size [plekto]
Jan 23, 2011 (12:02 am)
Not really. Driving a Cruze is a compact experience. Add a sunroof (as some do) and lose 2 cubic feet of interior volume. Add a spare tire (as many do) and lose 1 cubic foot of interior volume.
The Cruze is a big compact. The Nissan Sentra is rated at 110 cuft, the Hyundai Elantra is 112 cuft as is the Kia Forte: 112 cuft. None of these cars are marketed as mid-size sedans because they're not. The market class is compact, EPA numbers aside.
The Verano can be a winner for Buick if they keep the base price at $22K. Good looking little compact. The slightly larger console will knock the Verano down to 109 cuft and that's before a sunroof and spare tire are added taking it to 105 cuft. Shoulder room, hip room and leg room put all these cars in the compact class.
#8 of 98 Re: Verano (and Cruze) Actually Mid-Size [plekto]
Jan 23, 2011 (7:36 am)
The Cruze and Verano have unusually large trunks for their size. The Regal will hardly be rendered useless. First of all, a 14.2 cf trunk is a very reasonable size for a mid-size car. Up until recently, many in the class were often closer to 13 cf. Using your logic, the Regal should render the Lacrosse completely useless, as the Regal's trunk is bigger than the one in the Lacrosse.
Not everyone is concerned with having a huge trunk. Some people would buy the Regal over the Verano for the added safety factor of more length and weight. There is probably a bit more elbow room in a Regal. They will handle differently. And the Regal will have more prestige, whatever that is worth. Others will prefer the style of the Regal over the Verano. It is still true that it is easier to add style and presence to a larger platform, other factors being equal (which they never are!).
I suspect that the Verano will do well for Buick here (it is already an important model in China), but it is unlikely to be a game changer. Crossovers and trucks are still the sweet spot of the market. Small cars are a growing presence, but are still not selling like hotcakes. Given the anticipated rise in gas prices, the Verano projected mpg would have to be a whole lot better in order for people to flock to it for that reason. Compact sedans across the board are becoming progressively quieter and better equipped, because that is what people want, regardless of size. The Verano is a good effort for Buick, and is another part of rebuilding the brand here.
Dec 16, 2011 (1:01 pm)
Got a call from my local dealer that they are in now. Will go give it a test drive within a couple of weeks. Hoping this will be the car on the other side of our garage by this time next year!