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#67 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [wwest] by dieselone

Jul 05, 2011 (6:35 pm)

Replying to: wwest (Jul 05, 2011 3:32 pm)
Yes, lots of "magical-like" things can be done with/in the DBW firmware between the accelerator pedal position sensors and the throttle plate servomotor.
  
The accelerator pedal can have a perfectly linear "feel" while the throttle plate (and Turbo waste-gate) movement can be totally erratic, non-linear, in response.
 
That's all I care about is how well it works.
 
Ford is far from the only manufacturer using turbo charging with DI. You should be bashing VW, Mazda, BMW, Hyundai and others that use the same basic design. Turbocharging is not going away.
 
DI and high compression alone isn't going to produce usable torque like a much larger engine. Boost is currently the only way to do it.

#68 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [dieselone] by brucelinc

Jul 06, 2011 (7:32 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Jul 05, 2011 6:35 pm)
Good luck convincing wwest of anything.
 
One of the benefits of two small turbos instead of one big one is that they spool up and generate boost more quickly - even at part throttle. Most of the critics of the 3.5 ecoboost engine have never experienced it.
 
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09/2011-ford-f-150-ecoboost-v-6-photos-and-add- itional-engine-details.html
 
The above link shows the torque curve of the ecoboost at part throttle and at WOT. It also shows the torque curves of some competitors.

#69 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [brucelinc] by dieselone

Jul 06, 2011 (7:39 am)

Replying to: brucelinc (Jul 06, 2011 7:32 am)
Good luck convincing wwest of anything.
 
 
Oh I know.
 
The above link shows the torque curve of the ecoboost at part throttle and at WOT. It also shows the torque curves of some competitors.
 
Great post. Gotta love that torque curve even at...um part throttle.

#70 of 236 Ford F-150 Ecoboost by sevenman

Jul 11, 2011 (5:31 am)

I am a Retired 30 year Freightliner diesel mechanic. In those years I saw and had to learn the new technologies that would come out day in and out.Lets look at multiplexing for example.Who ever thought we could eliminate three quarters of the wires in a vehicle. And send signals over a twisted pair of wires?If we all believe in simplicity we should be starting our vehicles with hand cranks! I just purchased a new F-150 with ecoboost.I didn't buy a diesel due to cost and mileage issues.I have had it only two weeks but I love it so far!Lots of power!Very hard to believe that this is a 3.5 V6. TAKE A DRIVE

#71 of 236 Green socialist agenda by drillforoilnow

Aug 14, 2011 (7:29 pm)

Taking a V-6 turning it to high-RPM's and thinking it is going to last is not very smart. The cost of ownership will be very interesting espicially when you start talking turbo failure or complete gernading the fragile high-tech motor.
 
The entire 'Green' agenda is the stupidest thing on planet earth, for starters oil is naturally occurring but people have been brainwashed into thinking mother earth is going to implode.
 
Heat, electronics and turbos what a great match up, with the Ford Triton's blowing out spark plugs I can't wait till these get out in the field and start racking up dollars in repairs.
 
I find it quite hypocritical Al Gore & Oboma the planet messiah's do not stop flying around in 'Corporate Jets', BIG SUV's and living lavishly.
 
I hope the numbnuts enjoy the Keynesian economic policies and their 'green' unemployment benefits.
 
Keep this fragile truck, make sure you got the pocket book to fix it. *If* anyone can find one running after 5 years, I am sure it will be a money pit.
 
A diesel is the ONLY sane approach, however the 'greenies' will not allow it. So they build this POS 'eco crap'.

#72 of 236 Re: Green socialist agenda [drillforoilnow] by wwest

Aug 15, 2011 (8:30 am)

Replying to: drillforoilnow (Aug 14, 2011 7:29 pm)
Personally I'm holding out for the upcoming Otto/Atkinson/Miller multimode 2L I4, 16 base compression ratio.

#73 of 236 Re: Green socialist agenda [drillforoilnow] by dieselone

Aug 15, 2011 (8:59 am)

Replying to: drillforoilnow (Aug 14, 2011 7:29 pm)
Taking a V-6 turning it to high-RPM's and thinking it is going to last is not very smart. The cost of ownership will be very interesting espicially when you start talking turbo failure or complete gernading the fragile high-tech motor.
 
The v6 EB develops more power at lower rpm than most most gas v8s. Peak HP is at 5,000rpm vs 5,500 for the 5.0v8. Max torque is available at 2,500rpm vs over 4k rpm for the 5.0 as well, so the idea the the EB has to scream at high rpm to make power is more BS.
 
Sure it's a more complicated engine so durability is a huge question mark. Considering how well the EB has been selling we'll learn fairly quick how it holds up.

#74 of 236 Re: Green socialist agenda [dieselone] by wwest

Aug 15, 2011 (5:53 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Aug 15, 2011 8:59 am)
"...the v6 EB develops more power at lower rp that most v8s...."
 
You make that up or did you find a factual, trustworthy, statement somewhere...?
 
~5000 RPM is NOT considered "low".
 
You neglected to mention the actual rating of V6's peak HP at 5,000 rpm vs the V8's at 5,500 rpm...?
 
Same thing with torque, need the actual numbers in order to judge fairly.
 
"...the idea that the EB has to scream at high rpm to make power is pure BS..."
 
NOT...!!
 
You can't quickly spool up those turboes without LOTS of exhaust gas flow into the turbine section. Plus you do not want BOOST at normal cruisng speed/rpm.
 
I'm not a fan of V8s by any means, but the gas-guzzling gas-hoggish EB is nothing more than a Ford marketing SCAM. I'll take a V6 with DFI and NO turbo, thank you. Maybe an SC if it's Miller cycle.

#75 of 236 Re: Green socialist agenda [wwest] by dieselone

Aug 15, 2011 (7:09 pm)

Replying to: wwest (Aug 15, 2011 5:53 pm)
"...the v6 EB develops more power at lower rp that most v8s...."
  
You make that up or did you find a factual, trustworthy, statement somewhere...?
 
I should have said torque instead of power.
From Ford.com
3.7 v6 302HP6500RPM 278ft-lbs4000rpm
3.5 EB 365hp5000rpm 420ft-lbs2500rpm
5.0 v8 360HP5500rpm 380ft-lbs4250rpm
6.2 v8 411HP5500rpm 434ft-lbs4500rpm
 
GM (per gmpowertrain.com)
4.8 v8 302HP5600rpm 305ft-lbs4600rpm
5.3 v8 315HP5200rpm 338ft-lbs4400rpm
6.2 v8 403HP5700rpm 417ft-lbs4300rpm
 
Dodge
5.7 v8 390hp5600rpm 407ft-lbs4000rpm.
 
So there you go, those are the numbers from each manufacturers website. Which engine generates it's max HP and torque at the lowest rpm?
 
I'll take a V6 with DFI and NO turbo, thank you.
 
You can have it, because that would be horrible in a truck/fullsize SUV for towing. For comparison, GM's DI 3.6 produces 273ft-lbs5200rpm. How is that better the EB 420ft-lbs2500rpm. That would be fine in an empty truck, but put 5klb+ trailer on back and it will be horribly slow while having to spin 5k+rpm to produce much pulling power. No thanks.
 
You can't quickly spool up those turboes without LOTS of exhaust gas flow into the turbine section. Plus you do not want BOOST at normal cruisng speed/rpm.
 
Well all I can say is a friend of mine just traded his v8 powered pickup for a EB f150 and so far he loves it. He's towed his 7k lb boat with it and he claims it feels much stronger than his previous v8 truck ever did. He's getting 20+mpg hwy nontowing, his old f150 never broke 17mpg hwy. I'll be curious to how well the EB holds up.

#76 of 236 Love the truck by dataceph

Aug 24, 2011 (7:58 pm)

I own one. I have 6300 miles on mine and I got 27 mpg on the highway last night. I reset the computer at highway speeds and drove 50 miles to my house and ended up with 27 mpg at my door. I did have some stop and go to contend with but not much. I live way out in the country. BTW, I was driving back from a Ford dealer where I bought my wife a Ford Fusion SE. She got 38.7 mpg on the way home!
 
I have a 31 ft travel trailer that weighs 7900 lbs dry and this truck pulls it like no other I have owned.( 1998 silverado, 2003 yukon xl) I am very, very pleased with the truck. I got 8-10 mpg towing this trailer with the yukon when it was new and I get 9 with the f150 eb.
 
I never thought I'd own a Ford, but I love it now.

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