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#24 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [bkelly9874] by twweber

Mar 08, 2011 (11:26 am)

Replying to: bkelly9874 (Feb 24, 2011 12:18 pm)
I would love to hear what kind of mileage you are getting with the eco-boost. I have a 2010 FX4 and I am just under 16 combined. This new engine has the potential to be a game changer. While I have only seen a few out so it is hard to tell what kind of mileage it will get, it could be in my interest to swap a 2010 for a 2011 eco-boost. Sounds crazy but a combined 21 would be 30% increase. With gas more likely to be $4 a gallon for a while than $3, that's $600 per year on 10K miles.

#25 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [twweber] by wwest

Mar 08, 2011 (1:53 pm)

Replying to: twweber (Mar 08, 2011 11:26 am)
Unless you happen to have a lead foot, or your operations are often, more than say, 70%, high in the engine power band the combined 16 MPG you are now getting will be a keeper. The hwy/cruise mileage with the detuned/derated EcoBoost Gas-guzzling engine will undoubtedly be worse.

#26 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [wwest] by twweber

Mar 09, 2011 (7:18 am)

Replying to: wwest (Mar 08, 2011 1:53 pm)
You may be correct. My hope is that Edmunds/CR/Car & Driver takes an eco boost and runs an extended road test on it. I want to see what it gets regularly for 5 - 10K or more in miles. My sticker was 14/18/15 and I am there at 9K in miles. The sticker on the new 5.0's is 14/19/16. In other words, no difference. The sticker on the eco boost (which is clearly a question mark due to the unknowns on the engine) is 15/21/17. No way I would swap for that.
 
Barring something unexpected, my horizon is probably Dec 2011 to Apr 2012 before I would do anything. By then, the performance of this engine should be much more clear.
 
I should mention that my employer has Ford as a client so I have access to the supplier discount. In the past, this has meant any F150 but the Raptor below invoice with rebates and offers on top of that. Those numbers make my math better, but not enough for 2 mpg.

#27 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [twweber] by dieselone

Mar 09, 2011 (7:57 am)

Replying to: twweber (Mar 09, 2011 7:18 am)
15/21/17. No way I would swap for that.
 
Considering the EB has nearly as much torque output as the 6.2 which only has a 12/16 rating. I'd say it's at minimum worth looking into.
 
I'm open to the idea of an EB in my Expedition if it were to be offered. 80 ft-lbs more torque at 1k rpm lower, 60 more HP, and better FE vs. the 5.4. I'm definitely interested. The 5.0 is definitely sweet, but I don't know if it has enough torque at low rpm. It gets old having to rev an engine past 4k rpm all of the time for pulling power
 
Sure, I'd love a diesel, but considering I'd have to go 3/4 ton spend nearly $8k more just for the diesel to get marginally better fuel economy (much heavier truck) then pay 50 cents or more a gallon makes something like the Ecoboost a viable option for those of us that tow 5-8k lb trailers on the weekends.
 
For someone who tows all of the time, the diesel makes far more sense.

#28 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [twweber] by wwest

Mar 09, 2011 (10:12 am)

Replying to: twweber (Mar 09, 2011 7:18 am)
And keep in mind that "your" numbers are actual while those are EPA estimates.

#29 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [wwest] by ironjasper

Mar 10, 2011 (9:52 am)

Replying to: wwest (Mar 09, 2011 10:12 am)
Hey wwest,
 
The price for the ecoboost option vs. the 5.0 is $750.00 not 3k-4k .....
 
Also, I purchased on about a month ago for about $400 over invoice ....
 
I priced the chevy, and the deal wasn't any better ....

#30 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [ironjasper] by wwest

Mar 10, 2011 (10:22 am)

Replying to: ironjasper (Mar 10, 2011 9:52 am)
The base price of an F150, XL model, is $22,415.00.
 
The minimum cost to get an F150 with the EcoBoost engine, $27,065.00.
 
That's an extra $4,650.00 for the pleasure of pumping gas into a Gas-Guzzling EcoBoost engine.

#31 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [wwest] by dieselone

Mar 10, 2011 (11:02 am)

Replying to: wwest (Mar 10, 2011 10:22 am)
The minimum cost to get an F150 with the EcoBoost engine, $27,065.00.
 
The minimum price on a 6.2L powered F150 is $40,000 and switching to the "gas guzzling" ecoboost that will get better FE is $1,920 less on the same truck. So what's your point?

#32 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [dieselone] by wwest

Mar 10, 2011 (1:31 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Mar 10, 2011 11:02 am)
My point is that if Ford is going to go to all the cost of redesigning and retooling for building engine heads to accommodate DFI why not go the extra step and bring the engine block itself up to DFI specs, 12:1 CR.
 
The current V6 engine block, ~10:1 compression ratio, could still be mated with the turbo and thereby run in detuned/derated mode, GAS GUZZLING MODE, 99% of the time.
 
Meanwhile Ford would have DFI V6 engine, 300HP or more, that has a 12:1 compression and thereby has more reasonable FE.
 

#33 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [wwest] by dieselone

Mar 10, 2011 (2:09 pm)

Replying to: wwest (Mar 10, 2011 1:31 pm)
The current V6 engine block, ~10:1 compression ratio, could still be mated with the turbo and thereby run in detuned/derated mode, GAS GUZZLING MODE, 99% of the time.
  
Meanwhile Ford would have DFI V6 engine, 300HP or more, that has a 12:1 compression and thereby has more reasonable FE.
 
The current 3.7 v6 already has 302HP and class leading (EPA anyway) fuel economy. Should they boost compression and add direct injection? Sounds good, but a cost/benefit analysis would give the answer. Obviously adding DI does add cost and they want to be competitive on price. Still a DI high compression v6 isn't going to produce enough torque compared to a v8 or the Ecoboost v6 for serious towing.
 
I'm sure we'll be seeing more DI engines in the future. The 2012 Focus will have DI standard. So it's coming.

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