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#200 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [vzttor] by harley060107

Nov 17, 2012 (4:21 am)

Replying to: vzttor (Nov 17, 2012 1:18 am)
I'd like to agree but I'm a retired PTSE Manager and also did power train packaging for D3 (Taurus,Sable,Explorer,etc). Mapping the processor and driving habits are not the issue, understanding the system is. I'm trying to better understand this issue. Many have experienced the same; do I love the rig yes, but at $50,000.00 a copy at this stage of the game development should not be one of them. I appreciate that yours runs good, you and others like you are the reason I sprung the bucks for a new 2012 Platinum to pull a 8000# trailer. Unfortunately i am not currently surprised and delighted and trying to better understand the root cause.

#201 of 236 Re: 3-mode 2-compressor BS [dieselone] by harley060107

Nov 17, 2012 (4:36 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Apr 24, 2012 6:10 pm)
Refer to # article #200...... I don't agree! Understanding the system and fixing the issue whatever the root cause is. This could be a stellar platform and sure beats the diesel alternatives with far less maintenance cost.

#202 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [bkelly9874] by harley060107

Nov 17, 2012 (5:54 am)

Replying to: bkelly9874 (Feb 24, 2011 12:18 pm)
Well you've had enough time to really understand performance and mileage. I recently bought a 2012 Platinum with 373 gears based on comments like yours. While I am a well seasoned power train engineer (Ford), I have not experienced great fuel economy yet. I also have a 2009 Yukon 5.3 (373 axle) which does deliver 16.5 cty/ 20.0 hwy but lacked the muscle to pull for camping without overheating the transmission or re-engineering the cooling system yet would deliver 9.5 mpg pulling the same trailer. How long did it take you to break it in and what type of mileage are you getting locally stop n go, hwy, and towing?
I anticipated once broken in 16.5/17.0 city, 20.5 hwy 72 miles per hour, and about 13.5 pulling a 8900# load (trailer). So far no joy but believe there are some issues that need to be addressed.

#203 of 236 Re: press request [kirstie_h] by harley060107

Nov 17, 2012 (5:57 am)

Replying to: kirstie_h (Jun 10, 2011 11:45 am)
I'm looking for the reporter or what he found out; seriously, I want to be the voice of the customer and show that the F150 eco-boost will deliver under load but at this time have not experienced "Surprised and delighted".

#204 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [harley060107] by dieselone

Nov 17, 2012 (7:19 am)

Replying to: harley060107 (Nov 17, 2012 5:54 am)
I anticipated once broken in 16.5/17.0 city, 20.5 hwy 72 miles per hour, and about 13.5 pulling a 8900# load (trailer). So far no joy but believe there are some issues that need to be addressed.
 
A diesel would struggle to get 13.5 mpg while pulling a 8,900lb travel trailer. I tow a 25' 6,000lb boat and I also have an 8,000lb+ 32' travel trailer. I can get about 12mpg towing the boat with my '07 Expedition (6 speed/3.73 gears) but it's more like 7-9mpg with the travel trailer. I wouldn't expect an Ecoboost to do much better, and possibly worse considering the fact it has more hp/torque which requires fuel to produce.
 
I agree on the Yukon/Suburban, I had one and the 5.3 is gutless and the 4 speed trans anyway is junk (had mine rebuilt at 47k miles). Not that Ford's 5.4 is a powerhouse, but it has a lot more torque at lower rpm.

#205 of 236 Re: 3-mode 2-compressor BS [dieselone] by harley060107

Nov 17, 2012 (7:23 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Apr 23, 2012 3:41 pm)
I've watched you and "dieselone" spar for some time and truly have an interest in knowing what you may have learned over the past year. While I have a relatively new 2012 F150 Supercrew and am experiencing some break-in issues I believe all can be resolved over time. You can review all my feedback somewhere between forums #198 thru# 203. Refinement and checks and balances during the assembly process and verification at end of line at B&A would help customer satisfaction. I too believe the investment in the Eco-boost far off sets the diesel platform if the sole interest is pulling something under 11000#.
Any feedback for trouble shooting the system would be value add.Thx!

#206 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [harley060107] by kipk

Nov 17, 2012 (7:38 am)

Replying to: harley060107 (Nov 17, 2012 5:54 am)
I would be pleasantly surprise if you got 20.5 on the hwy 72 mph.
 
Or 13.5 towing an 8900# camper at most any speed. A flat bed trailer, at 60ish mph might do it.
 
We do a lot of camping, and fuel mileage often becomes the topic around campfires.
 
Example: Josh normally towed his 32-35 ft "Tag Along" (not 5th wheel) camper w/sliders with a Ford 10V. I believe he said it is a Van. Usually averaged 8-9 mpg.
 
 For this particular trip he borrowed a F-250 Diesel a couple of years old.
Said he was disappointed in the fuel mileage of towing at 60 mph. 12+ mpg.
 
Most Diesel owners I've talked with say that 12-15 mpg is about right for a large "tag Along" . And that 5th wheels don't do as well.
  
 
Haven't talked to anyone yet with an F-150 Eco Boost, so your input would be helpful. If you do get that 12+ mpg towing a large camper, it would be great, as gasoline is so much cheaper than diesel. At least it is around here.
 
Thanks,
Kip

#207 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [kipk] by dieselone

Nov 17, 2012 (8:29 am)

Replying to: kipk (Nov 17, 2012 7:38 am)
We camp and boat a lot and talk to many different people as well. Our camper sits on a seasonal campsite so I generally see the same people during camping/boating season. We have about 4 people with ecoboosts and so far they're happy. Though they claim towing mpg isn't much or any better than the v8 trucks that had previously, but they love the towing power.
 
I really like the f150 but honestly I don't know if I'd pull the trigger on the EB. I'm at 112k on my '07 Expedition and I'd like to get another year out it. Then I'll decide on a Ram hemi/8speed, F150, the new GM trucks, or maybe even a new Suburban depending on the redesign. That or I'll just find a low mileage used Expedition EL.
 
I have nothing against the Ecoboost. I've driven a few and they are indeed impressive. Gas mileage appears to be a bit better than my Expedition while also having a lot more power. That's a win/win to me. That said, I'm not sold on Fords ability to avoid major issues. The spark plug debacle with the 3v 5.4 cost me $1,000 due to the plugs breaking off in the head.
 
But with as many Ecoboosts that have sold, there seems to be far more happy owners than unhappy. So we'll see. I think many have an unrealistic expectations of FE.
 
As for towing mileage, yeah, what you've found is pretty much what I've experienced. The 5th wheels are far heavier than a "tag along". I"ve only towed our travel trailer once. About 150 miles from the dealer to the campground. It's 32' with two slides and 35' overall. It weights around 7,500lbs empty. I towed it with my Expedition at 50-60mph and got about 8 mpg. No way will a current gas truck yield 13mpg pulling a camper of that size. We used to have a 25' camper and still never got more than 8-9mpg towing it with a '00 Suburban.
 
As for the Ecoboost, a guy that camps next to me has an '11 F150 Crew Lariat 4x4 3.73 ecoboost. Towing his 26' deck boat (about 7,000lbs) he claims he gets about 9 mpg at 70 mph. He says non towing mileage at 70 is 19-20 and 65 and under it's over 20mpg.

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