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#11 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [curt1234]
Jan 21, 2011 (10:27 am)
The more EcoBoost/TwinForce gas-guzzling gas-hog engines Ford sells/ships the lower their FE fleet average declines. Ford wants the positive publicity of the "boy-racer" mentality aspects of BOOSTED engines, but not the fleet average FE declination.
How to solve the riddle...?
Price/option/market limit (FWD ONLY for the 2011 Ford Explorer with the I4 Ecoboost.....a FWD only Ford Explorer SUV...just how UNREAL can this get...?) the EcoBoost versions out of reasonable range of the average purchaser.
#12 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [fueledup]
Jan 22, 2011 (11:02 am)
According to the Ford Flex pricing structure you should expect to pay a $6,000 premium for the EcoBoost/TwinForce gas-guzzling gas-hog engine if you choose a lower end F-150 version on which that option is available but as little as $3,000 if you choose a high end F-150 version.
#13 of 236 you should see the whining...
Jan 22, 2011 (3:50 pm)
on a Tundra site regarding the tear down of the 'Torture Test' Ecoboost. It's comical.
There weren't any complaints when the proof of toughness was a truck towing a trailer up a ramp surrounded by fire for 2 minutes.
#14 of 236 Re: Pricing [curt1234]
Jan 22, 2011 (4:10 pm)
Dealer will come about 3500 off sticker on the 5.0, special order the 3.5 and not as much off sticker, he said lets build it and I can tell you the price.. Waiting until the autoshow to see what delas are out there, the Dodge and Chevy are my top two, not sold on ecoBoot.
#15 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [wwest]
Jan 22, 2011 (5:32 pm)
How about helping us out with what other gas vehicles have 350+ HP, 400+ Torque and are rated at 16/22 mpg?
#16 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [explorerx4]
Jan 22, 2011 (6:41 pm)
None, but the 5.3 matches it mileage(will beat it, 24MPG on a 5.3 4wd with extended cab 6 speed) and two tweaks and its right there powerwise and cost about 10k less average option for option, so buy the F150 with the superbooster and I'll buy the Chevy, longer warranty(100K) and pocket 10k, easy.
50hp for 10,000 na, I'll pass, Ford Finally has powerful engines, I can buy a 2000 Chevy that still has a strong motor...
#17 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [curt1234]
Jan 22, 2011 (6:43 pm)
Like you posted 'None'. Good job.
#18 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [explorerx4]
Jan 22, 2011 (7:00 pm)
I'm objective, not a ford nuthugger, I like the f150, I like the 5.0, I don't like the price, Chevy has the Ford on Price BIG time, 5.3 is a good motor and for me, its enough, dealer coming over 8500 off sticker, ford 3500 on the 5.0 and actually talking about sticker price on the 3.5, no way, all the 3.5's are 40k plus, the all star chevy is about 27k, 5.3, extended cab, 4wd, which has an auto option, best in the class, set it forget it, skid plates, heavy duty trailer/tow/cooling pack. So hmm, lets see 40k for the ford and 27k for the chevy and they are rated same mileage?? 50hp, I don't need it, chip/k&n I got it or close for about 500 bucks and even better mileage.
The only reason I would get the ecorooster is to chip it and run it even harder, but Ford has such a short warranty, why bother.
Anyone that knows about turbos just look at bmw, the 335 first two years, ran SUPER hot, the turbos glowed, I'll pass, explorer tell us about your superbooster when it arrives, I am sure its a great truck, just not worth the bucks, the superduty or gm hd are better bets, even dodge with cummins.
#19 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [explorerx4]
Jan 23, 2011 (10:32 am)
Sorry, but my main point is that the very same V6 with a DFI "standard" compression ratio of 12:1 would easily have a HP rating of ~300 and a rather dramatic FE improvement.
Ask yourself why the new 2011 Ford Explorer is available with a V6 but without DFI, 12:1 CR, and the cognizant FE improvement. What is Ford hiding behind the curtain..?
Why does Ford think a turbo must be bolted to a DFI engine in order to get more reasonable, by today's "standards" FE...??
Why not provide the public with the option, DFI V6 with 12:1 CR and decent FE, or the Gas-guzzling EcoBoost/TwinForce version with substandard CR in order to accommodate, RARELY accommodate, BOOST.
Why run a DFI engine in detuned/derated mode, relatively POOR FE, 98-99% of the time...?
How many of us, given the choice, would choose 300HP and stellar FE over 350HP and relatively horrid FE...?
Why is the 2011 Ford Explorer with the EcoBoost/Twinforce Gas-Guzzling engine to be available only as FWD..?? Only way to compensate for the Gas-Guzzling effect and get relatively decent FE...?
Ford Explorer, 2011, CASTRATED version.
#20 of 236 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [curt1234]
Jan 23, 2011 (10:45 am)
"..Anyone that knows about turbos just look at BMW..."
Even worse, look at Mazda's HORRID track record with the CX-7 turbo.
Mazda, Ford's platform sharing partner, engineering know-how expertise sharing, cross-licensing, etc, etc.
They are, or course, sharing in the extraordinarily HIGH driveline component failures of the F/awd Escape/Mariner/Tribute. Maybe Ford just wants to share in the turbo failure rate Mazda is experiencing with the CX-7..?
Ford says they want the EcoBoost engine design to be used across their product line, 90%, within just a few years. Like that's gonna happen with their current marketing and pricing structure. EcoBoost available ONLY on the pricier/upscale product models, and even then only with a $3,000-6,000 option pricing.
Yeah, now THAT's going to get the attention of 90% of Ford buyers, just not the type of attention Ford says they want.
Like listening to X-VP Cheney speaking with "forked" tongue and twisted smile.