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Nov 13, 2013 (5:12 pm)
Has anyone taken a look at their license plate lights lately? You might be surprised when you find then failed in less than 14 mths. Best part is it's not a simple bulb change. Moreover, what's the cost to consumer when they fail out of warranty?!
Just my thoughts......., then again I've already had to replace both left and right side......
#268 of 276 Re: eco boost problems [skinner_rick]
Nov 24, 2013 (5:28 am)
Well it's now Nov of 2013 and I agree about your comments regarding FREE Energy... As for professional bloggers, I'm begining to think you might be right. My major disappointment has come from Ford not engaging in their issues. Winter fuel cold start strategy is horendous!!
Other major issues have been identified primarily that while there may be four model years identified between 2011 and 2013, there have been some are major changes and distinctions in each power train and their components that are factors in poor fuel economy. The consumers are not aware of these changes and assumes these eco boost platforms are the same. Advertizing alone is very misleading with a 2 wheel drive low axle eco boost delivering 23 mpg at 75 mph and a supercrew /373 axle only delivering 16.9 under 70mph with maximum trailer tow. Many calibration changes have ocurred, vacuum pumps have gone from electric back to engine design. Unfortunately, I have the later which is subject to condensation and freeze which can result in brake fade and poor performance with the only option to have the pump replaced. Hopefully this happens within the warranty period and the consumer doesn't have to pay out of pocket. There are other issues if I wanted to knit pick but not worth the print.
My rig has improved in economy to 16cty/20hwy under 70 mph in temps above 45 but you have to kiss the rig everytime you take it out of the stable. (Winter fuel economy is still 13.8-14.5 cty and 17.0/18.5hwy).
Federal EPA requirements over the next three years are going to force innovations including aluminum body components , eight and nine speed transmissions but variable valve timing and naturally aspirated gas engines will prevail. Currently there are too many alternatives to consider the 3.5 eco boost as a alternative, however, "Total Works" /Ford maintenance packages driving oil changes below $30.00 make it hard to jusify the diesel off set givin fuel cost sometimes as high as $1.00 per/gal difference for diesel and diesel additives etc.
Watch the Big Three for major industry changes over the next three years. Pay special attention to transmissions and variable valve timing. There are and will be many other BETTER choices than the 3.5 eco boost as alternatives.
Thanks for your comments!!
#269 of 276 Re: ecoboost problems [just_focus]
Nov 24, 2013 (5:33 am)
The 5.0 Ltr was really a smart choice plus something you can service for years to come!
#270 of 276 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [larryggggg]
Nov 24, 2013 (5:45 am)
I've noted your comments regarding 91 octane fuel and while it may net additional mpg, I've not sure it warrants the increased expense short of giving you a warm and fuzzy and bragging rights of increased mpg when towing, "Oh 1.4 mpg, yea but!!
I agree the vehicle will tow but Ford still owes the consumer tuning and performance assistance. This rig could deliver more and create positive customer feed back if they would only invest a little money in fully understanding their own technology.
#271 of 276 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [harley060107]
Dec 05, 2013 (5:17 pm)
First time poster skimming thru the threads on the eco-boost. I apologize if this isn't the appropriate thread for this subject, but it seems like there's a lot of good intell and experience here to glean some valuable consumer info from.
I'm a non-owner looking to buy a used 2011 or so F150 supercab, 4x4, for a work truck. I'll be driving 70 miles per day total for work with about 5 miles of that being city traffic in the mid-atlantic region. I'll never be towing. Interested in either the 3.5 or the 3.7 non-eco-boost v-6's for the best gas mileage I can get. I'd really like to get something with an mpg of about 20, since the van I currently drive gets about 23.
Any opinions? Should I steer away from the eco-boost? Is the gas mpg controversy really about just advertised vs actual only when towing? Anything I'm not considering that I should be? I'm not up to speed on trucks since I haven't owned one in over 10 years. Thanks for any assist.
#272 of 276 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [usamech]
Dec 05, 2013 (6:56 pm)
If you're just planning to use it for transportation there are many other power trains that would make you happier. If you plan to do light duty towing under 6000# and you want a Filesa Ford, the 5.0 would be your best all around. If you' re looking at alternatives the 5.7 Hemi or 5.3 GM with variable valve timing will give you better fuel economy both city and
and highway. The Hemi is actually boasting better city and highway but the trim in the. GM line-up is really nice.
#273 of 276 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [harley060107]
Dec 08, 2013 (4:50 pm)
I'm looking to buy me an F-150 soon and was really wanting to get me one with the ecoboost engine in it. After reading some of these threads, I am wondering if maybe I should give up on getting the ecoboost engine. Would I be better off getting the V6 or the V8? Need to get a truck soon so any reply's are appreciated.
#274 of 276 Depwends on how you drive and NEEDS!
Dec 09, 2013 (3:18 am)
Been lurking here for quite a while. Conclusion is to stay away from the Eco Boost until the bugs are worked out.
Harley offered some good advice for alternative trucks. Such as the Ford 5.0 V8 and offerings from Ram and Chevy/GMC.
Here is the thing! You really can't make more power without burning more fuel. However when the "MORE" power is not needed, there are ways to increase mileage, such as variable valve timing and disabling a cylinder during light duty. And small efficient engines with the turbo "BOOST" when needed is certainly a great alternative. However the turbo must be operating, and not operating, darn near perfect at all times to really be effective. And the driver must be willing to drive with a light foot and stay "OUT" of the turbo. When the turbo activates, a lot of air and fuel are dumped into the engine, which may be even more than a efficient V8 would use.
We occasionally tow a small camper weighing about 3000#. As do several of our friends. Our truck is a V6.
Strangly enough, the folks with the V8s get about the same mileage "TOWING" as we do.
Not towing, we get 1-3 better mpg than they do, both Local and highway. But that also depends on how heavy our right foot is. The V8s just don't need to work as hard as the 6s, to accomplish anything but the lightest task.
Conclusion: If I was working the truck with anything more than 1000# load most of the time, it would be a V8. Also, if asking the V6 to accelerate like an 8, for that "seat of the pants" experience, the mileage is going to be pretty much the same as the V8.
If you don't need a heavy duty, heavy towing, super manly Pickup, you might consider a midsize truck. I have owned a couple each of Ram, Chevy, and Ford full size trucks. Our present one is a Midsize and much better fits our needs since we no longer tow a 30' 6000# camper.
Just my 2 cents worth.
#275 of 276 Re: Depwends on how you drive and NEEDS! [kipk]
Dec 09, 2013 (4:28 am)
Recognize by design the turbos no the Ecoboost are actually operating all the time which is also a draw back. While the Ecoboost may provide torque, unless you take delivery on one with less than the 373 axle or a 2 wheel drive model, don't expect to boast to your neigbor about great fuel economy. I think you your choice to look at alternative power trains will best serve you long term.
#276 of 276 Re: 2011 Ford F150 Eco Boost [jazzin]
Dec 09, 2013 (4:47 am)
There are some updates that you may want to review. My comments are only made to provide a perpective buyer with good data to make an informed purchase. As the owner of an 2012 Ecoboost (Supercrew), the rig will pull, however, there are too many alterntatives that will do the same thing providing equal to or better fuel economy empty. Long term you will not have to deal with turbo warranty, maintenance, and many of the other associated issues. Even with a 373 axle on alterative power trains, you can drive at highway speeds above 70 mph without getting penalized with a severe mpg drop.
Depending on when you buy the Ecoboost and which model year, you could even be subject to paying more for the ecoboost power train.