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#535 of 716 Interested in an Explorer
Mar 17, 2011 (11:05 am)
I sat in a 2011 Ford Explorer Limited at a local auto show. The interior was gorgeous - Audi caliber. I was also impressed with the Explorer's fit & finish.
I'm looking for an SUV as my next vehicle. I still love my 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH that just hit 138,000 miles on my way home from work last night. I need something with more space (I've got a house & 2 boys now), 3 rows of seats, and 4 wheel drive.
I'm really just in the research stages right now & am probably not going to buy anything until the end of next summer. The 3 trucks I'm most interested in are the Ford Explorer, Dodge Durango, & Honda Pilot.
I think the Pilot is going to be redesigned sometime in the near future, but I like the fact that it is 1st and foremost a Honda. I like the boxy shape, flat folding floor, & the fact that the 3rd row has LATCHes for car seats. The EX-L with Navigation (4WD) is priced just right.
The Explorer is beautiful as far as trucks/SUVs go. Has a gorgeous interior & a loaded XLT has all the gadgets I want (Except HID headlights).
The Durango is very manly. The optional HEMI V8 must rock. The interior is finished well & I love all the chrome on the Citiadel Model (especially those 20" Chrome Wheels). Unfortunately the Durango Citadel is priced close to $50,000 which is out of my league.
My favorite SUV out right now is the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I'd buy one in a heartbeat except that it doesn't have 3 rows of seats.
Looking forward to lurking for a while & seeing how people like their new 2011 Explorers.
#536 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [nyccarguy]
Mar 17, 2011 (12:05 pm)
I'm stronly leaning towards the Explorer as well. We decided to skip the Pilot - having owned Hondas for 20 years it's time to move on. Also, not a fan of the VCM technology.
We've also looked at the Acadia - very nice but pricey and the Mazda CX9 -felt dated inside. We're also going to check out the Veracruz.
#537 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [nyccarguy]
Mar 17, 2011 (4:30 pm)
My '02 Explorer is getting a bit old, so i have been thinking about replacing with a new one. I have been really wanting one.
Based on reading your post and my own other thoughts, I am thinking I probably won't buy one.
My kids are college age, so it probably makes more sense to keep my '02 going for a while.
The new one is close to the size of an Expedition. Had one of those and didn't really like driving it on a daily basis.
The 3 row feature is great. Originally each kid had their own row.
As they grew up, they were more willing to sit in the same row.
My favorite was them both sitting in the 3rd row seat and folding up the 2nd row seats so they could stretch their legs straight out.
#538 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [explorerx4]
Mar 18, 2011 (4:43 am)
The new explorer is unibody and won't drive anything like an expedition or an old explorer. It will drive more like the Edge, only a little bigger and that's a good thing.
My wife had 2 Explorers, An Expedition and an Aviator before going to the Edge 2 years ago. Night and day.
At least test drive the Edge and Explorer before you decide.
#539 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [akirby]
Mar 18, 2011 (8:56 am)
I don't think unibody is the issue, an issue. However the cross-ways mounted engine is. The new Explorer is a base FWD vehicle, front driveline is SOLIDLY coupled to the transaxle and is therefore ALWAYS driven.
Ford's sad experience with this type of F/awd system, Escape, Mariner, does not bode well for use in the must heavier Explorer. For at least ten years now Ford has been experimenting with various fixes, PATCHES, to alleviate the premature failures in those drivelines.
And the "beat" goes on....
To that end they have added cooling to the new Explorer's PTO assembly and maybe even the rear clutch/diffl assembly.
Even Honda (Ridgeline), with their version of a pre-emptive F/awd system, the VTM-4 system, has had its share of problems with driveline component failures. In their case the weakest link seems to have been the torque converter lock-up clutch. Honda switched to the SH-AWD system for the Ridgeline and quite possibly revised the control firmware to lower the stress/HEAT on the various driveline components.
If the new Explorer's driveline components begin to fail that will undoubtedly be Ford's first move for a "fielded" fleet fix, a reflash to lower the F/awd functionality.
Personally my fix would be to fully disable the rear clutch coupling EXCEPT in KNOWN low traction conditions. In low traction conditions individual wheelslip/spin would alleviate the driveline stress/HEAT from driveline windup and/or tire "scrubbing".
#540 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [akirby]
Mar 18, 2011 (1:25 pm)
My post was not about how it would drive, which I have no doubt would be fine.
I did drive an Edge for about a week once, and I liked it.
My issue is with the size of the Explorer. For me, I realized it's a bigger vehicle than I want as a daily driver.
#541 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [nyccarguy]
Mar 21, 2011 (11:20 am)
This is Seni with Ford Customer Service. Since you are only in the research stages, I would like to let you know that the 2012 Explorer can be expected late summer. The 2012 Explorer will feature improved fuel economy over the 3.5L V6. We are very excited about this Explorer and again expect that it will be available late summer 2011. When you begin the shopping stage, please be sure to visit www.Ford.com/Incentives, at your convenience, for incentives in your area.
Ford Customer Service Division
#542 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [fordcustsrvc]
Mar 21, 2011 (11:50 am)
Wow, the 2011 Explorer isn't even dry behind the ears and you're already pedaling the 2012...?
Does that mean something went awry with the 2011..?
Does that mean the upcoming 2012 Explorer will getting a more fuel efficient N/A V6 with DFI..? With the performance gain of DFI you could even downsize the engine displacementvolume to get even better FE while still holding the HP/torque at the current V6 level.
Or are you still in the mode of foisting off the DETUNED/DERATED GAS-GUZZING GASHOGISH EcoBoost (TwinForce) I4 as being environmentally conscious and fuel efficient...??
With gas prices headed north of $4 I would think you would begin reconsidering marketing to the "boy-racer" mentality types as that market is getting smaller by the moment.
#543 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [wwest]
Mar 21, 2011 (3:19 pm)
DFI is not the end-all-be-all of automotive technology.
Anyway, if I had my way, I'd be hauling my family in an 84-85 Olds Custom Cruiser wagon with the diesel V8 and 200-4R transmission. 30+mpg and 8 seat belts. Governors and injector pumps were faultless by then.
But the wife says no minivans, no station wagons, and most especially nothing with woodgrain.
So the Explorer gets the best mileage of any vehicle that seats seven and still has primarily US content. 85% according to this month's issue of C&D. Sadly the outgoing 2010 Explorer was 90% US content. But 85% is better than every other SUV available today. Talk about setting the curve!!!
#544 of 716 Re: Interested in an Explorer [occupant1]
Mar 21, 2011 (8:04 pm)
"..DFI is not the end-all-be-all of automotive technology..."
I sincerely hope not...
But it is the current next step...or one of....
I'm voting for SuperCharging as the new step.