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#491 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [wwest]
Feb 03, 2011 (1:04 pm)
Why is Ford shipping the new 2011 Explorer with a N/A V6 that is NOT DFI...? They clearly have the technological and design capability.
Probably the same reason they didn't add DI to the 3.7 v6, 5.0 & 6.2 v8. I'd guess it's to save money and maybe just adding DI doesn't automatically equal 30% more FE as you claim. Though DI is going to included with the 2012 Focus N/A 2.0L.
#492 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [wwest]
Feb 03, 2011 (1:03 pm)
But many of us are not...!
That's fine and there are vehicles out there that should suit you just fine. Go buy a Volt or a Civic. I use my full size SUV to tow my boat etc. A small displacement N/A DI engine isn't going to cut it. The fact that Ford offers a powertrain that offers big block v8 levels of torque at v6 levels of fuel consumption works for me. Otherwise, I'll just continue to drive my v8 Expedition getting 15mpg.
Here's something else for you to chew on. Both the Honda Accord and Hyundai Sonata use 2.4L 4cyl. The Hyundai uses DI and the Honda does not. FE for the Accord is 23/34 and the Sonota is 24/35 and they both have Similar HP. 190vs 198.
#493 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [dieselone]
Feb 03, 2011 (1:55 pm)
DI is expensive. The only reason the Focus 2.0 gets DI is that in Europe that is a premium engine and they didn't want to have 2 versions. The power and fuel economy gain due to DI is small and not worth it on lower priced vehicles.
Using a smaller displacement with DI and Turbos on the ecoboost models yield far better results than just DI alone on a larger engine.
That said I believe Ford will put DI on all their Lincoln engines to distinguish them from the Ford versions.
#495 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [dieselone]
Feb 03, 2011 (4:57 pm)
The Ranger is reserved for hauling yard waste, trash, gargage and the occassional trip to fetch gas/diesel. Daily driver, work to and fro, is an '01 F/awd RX300. Weekends the '01 Porsche C4 comes out of the garage.
#496 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [wwest]
Feb 04, 2011 (1:36 pm)
'01 F/awd RX300. Weekends the '01 Porsche C4 comes out of the garage.
Interesting coming from someone who harps on FE so much. Would you like a 200Hp 2.4 DI 4cyl to replace the flat 6 in your Carrera?
#497 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [wwest]
Feb 04, 2011 (3:35 pm)
The 5.0 in the Mustang is not a DI engine. Try to find some complaints about that.
285 HP from a 3.5 that is tuned for torque sounds good to me.
How much do you really need?
I will follow the fuel mileage reports with some interest.
A few years ago, I had an '07 Edge as a loaner for a few days.
I drove it harder than normal (not abuse) and averaged 20 mpg.
#498 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [dieselone]
Feb 04, 2011 (8:41 pm)
No, but what I would really like would be a T-Top Porsche Caymen with the HSD system, maybe using the new Toyoya I4 (187HP) but with DFI and the West/Atkinson/Otto/Miller multi-mode engine.
#499 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [dieselone]
Feb 07, 2011 (1:36 pm)
Plus in the Panamera with AWD it gets 18/26mpg. That's a huge improvement over the Taurus SHOs 17/25 with it's brick like drag coefficient and extra 300lbs vs. the Porsche.
HUGE improvement, Gracie? looks like 1 MPG to me, and that's not huge to me, it's insignificant. Of course, I could be wrong....
#500 of 716 Re: Law of supply and demand [nvbanker]
Feb 07, 2011 (5:26 pm)
if you want to match the 0-60 of the SHO, you need to step up to the Panamera S. 24 mpg highway, v8, 400 hp, 90k base MSRP.
I'm ok with the '11 Explorer not being as quick.