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Dec 27, 2010 (3:07 pm)
When is the new Ford Explorer with the Ecoboost option scheduled to be released. There is conflicting news articles about the estimated fuel economy. I have read that the ecoboost model will be a 30% improvement from the 2010 model and I have also seen articles that say the ecoboost will improve the 2011 model's epa by 30%
If it is a 30% improvement on the 2010 model it will only increase the fuel economy by one mile per gallon on the current 2011 models being released.
If it is 30% improvement of the 2011 model it would put the hwy epa somewhere around 30.
#34 of 715 Re: Ecoboost [livingingrace]
Dec 28, 2010 (12:33 pm)
The reality of the matter is that Ecoboost engine sacrifice HP/torque for FE. The only time the engine compression ratio is within "reason" for a DFI engine is under BOOST. And other than the "boy-racer" mentality market that will be pretty rare indeed.
A DFI enegine can have a compression ratio as high as 12:1. The EcoBoost engine, otherwise, previously known, as the TwinForce Gas-Guzling Gas-HOG, must be run in derated/detuned mode, substandard CR, the ~98% of the time you are simply in "cruise" mode.
The 30% number Ford is touting is an apples to oranges comparison. Yes, the EcoBoost I4 engine can match the HP/torque output of the non-DFI V6 while also equaling its FE. But the I4, of the V6 w/DFI, could have even better FE with a standard base compression ratio were it not necessary to provide for BOOST.
Ford = EcoBoost, magicians trick....."look over here, not over there"...STUPID...!!
Sorry, no, they're taking it for granted that the SUV buying public is STUPID.
And you known, looking around at the mostly non-functional F/awd systems they might well be correct.
#36 of 715 Re: Ecoboost [explorerx4]
Dec 29, 2010 (11:56 am)
Most of us, probably the clear majority of us, will NEVER race ANY EcoBoost/(TwinForce) engine. Sso we will NEVER be able to run the engine in the most optimal mode, HIGH BOOST mode, FE wise, more than maybe 1% of the time.
EcoBoost/(TwinForce), Ford's latest LOOSER...!!
No, sorry, that's just WRONG..! Ford's latest LOOSER would be taking the FreeStyle/Taurus X body/frame/drive train and putting the Explorer label on it.
A FWD Explorer...REALLY...?
Sorta like a Jeep Compass FWD, who cares...?
#37 of 715 Re: Ecoboost [wwest]
Dec 29, 2010 (7:23 pm)
At first, I was skeptical of the '11 Explorer. but I am not ready to rule it out.
I love my '02, but we have had good luck with our '04 and '09 Escapes and '07 Fusion AWD.
The negatives from my POV are it's kind of big and if fuel prices rise, I am not sure I would give up my '02 EB V8 for a few extra mpg.
I would miss the EB trim, too.
#38 of 715 Here's an Idea..!!
Dec 31, 2010 (12:09 pm)
Take the Ford FreeStyle/Taurus X/2011 Ford Explorer, put in a more historically traditional "Explorer" rear biased AWD system, R/awd system. Use the new drive coupling system for "real-time" torque routing to the FRONT. V6 DFI engine, and shed some of that 2011 Ford Explorer WEIGHT, no transfer case, no low range...see the 2011 Cayenne.
Badge it with....
2012 Ford EXPEDITION.
#40 of 715 Re: Here's an Idea..!! [wwest]
Jan 01, 2011 (6:44 pm)
Based on my experience with FWD based Escapes and a Fusion, the new AWD Explorer is not a big deal.
Expedition based on the same platform? Bad dream. Makes no sense. Not happening.
#41 of 715 gas mileage question
Jan 01, 2011 (10:13 pm)
In Car and Driver's review this month, they say the explorer gets 2 miiles on average less than the pilot... How is this possible since the explorer if rated 2 miles better than the pilot?
Seems like someone isn't measuring right...
Also, when will crash tests be out on the the new body?
#42 of 715 Re: gas mileage question [brwndoggy]
Jan 02, 2011 (9:05 am)
"...2 miles better..."
EPA ratings are like that, only an estimate, not exactly "real worldish".
Crash tests will likely be better for the new unibody than the old frame rail since more of the weight can be put into body structure, as clearly they have done.