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#260 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [wwest]
Aug 16, 2010 (9:42 am)
I currently own a 2003 Toyota 4Runner, V-8, Sport, 4WD, loaded with every option. By the way, also have 2008 Toyota Prius. Like previous Ford Explorer's, I have had no problem with the 4Runner. What deterred me from buying another 4Runner is all the plastic crap in the interior, rough riding, cramped space, lack of refinement in the audio and navigation system, expensive maintenance, etc. Not really updated for the 21st century. Compared to new Ford Explorer, 4Runner is overpriced, outdated, and lacks sophistication.
#261 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [wwest]
Aug 16, 2010 (10:43 am)
Every way. FWD is not unsafe and neither is FWD based AWD. Heat isn't the problem with the PTU seals. Running summer tires in winter is NOT safer. Ecoboost engines are not just for more power.
The Explorer shares nothing with the Taurus X except a common ancestor platform. Even the front and rear suspension is different now not to mention all new engines, ride height, totally unique exterior and interior.
That's why you don't know what you're talking about.
#262 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [explorerkid]
Aug 16, 2010 (12:45 pm)
But my point was, is, that the Explorer, new edition, is no longer in competition with the 4runner.
#263 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [wwest]
Aug 16, 2010 (12:50 pm)
It is for the vast majority of buyers who don't need true off-road capability.
#264 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [wwest]
Aug 16, 2010 (12:58 pm)
I would totally agree with you..."the Explorer....is no longer in competition with the 4Runner". The 4Runner represents late post-World War II technology and the latest edition merely reshuffles the plastic interior. The 4Runner is a solid built, rough riding, cramped interior, expensive to maintain, bulky handling, and lacks 21st century state-of-the-art technology. A detailed item-by-item comparison of a configured 4Runner and new 2011 Explorer would also underscore that it is over-priced.
#265 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [akirby]
Aug 16, 2010 (12:58 pm)
Okay, I've told you why I contend that FWD and F/awd vehicles are patently UNSAFE on a wintertime adverse, slippery, roadbed. Now would you please be so kind as to give us a basis for your statement that they are NOT unsafe in those conditions.
And please help us understand why HEAT is not a problem with the PTO/PTU seals and high level of mechanical failures..
And what aspect of an Ecoboost engine is not "just" for more power. Ford's only claim that I can see is that it produces more power than a larger engine while consuming less fuel than the LARGER engine. What about the VERY SAME DFI engine but with ~12:1 CR but absent the turbo and produces muchly improved FE. Or actually still with the turbo but with a more throttled boost level so as to not blow up the engine.
Where do you get the information that running summer tires in wintertime isn't safer...?? That all depends on the wintertime climate and the driver's willingness to execute other traction measures should the need arise.
But you're correct about the new Explorer and the Taurus X, the new Explorer is probably closer to the FreeStyle.
#266 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [wwest]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Aug 16, 2010 (1:31 pm)
they are NOT unsafe in those conditions
It's the tires.
Ok, it's the driver.
It's been a decade since I left Anchorage but I still remember passing lots of 4WD rigs in the ditch with my FWD Tercel and my FWD minivans. Seems like most of the ditch diggers were in 4WD vehicles that they were overdriving.
#267 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [steve_]
Aug 16, 2010 (2:49 pm)
That is Funny! Reminds me of frequently taking my RWD 1980 Toyota Corolla onto un-maintained sand, gravel, dirt, mud trails (not recommended!) and seeing so many of the R/AWD's not making it - the FWD's did fine. It seemed the heaver the AWD's were the worse trouble they were in. I got a lot of angry stares as I passed by.
#268 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [explorerkid]
Aug 16, 2010 (3:09 pm)
But....It's still a "TRUCK"...!
If you only want to haul 5 people then the Venza F/awd with the 4 cylinder would be the way to go. Explorer "class" people hauling capability would be the Toyota Highlander but not before it gets upgraded to the new F/awd system. Value to Value I'd still choose the Sienna with the V6 and F/awd.
I suspect the new 4 cylinder in the Venza, ~190HP, will soon be upgraded with DFI, (~215 HP along with improved FE) in which case I will be looking forward to a Sienna F/awd with that same engine.
Now, just what have you got to look forward to at Ford...?
#269 of 716 Re: Ordered to 2011 Explorer! [fawltytowers44]
Aug 16, 2010 (3:15 pm)
Sounds as if you knew not to over-use the throttle and the R/awd driver's didn't.
It is that simple, really.
Spin-outs, intentional spin-outs, on a sandy beach are a LOT more fun in a RWD or R/awd.
Once filled the "cockpit" of my 911 Targa with sand driving, drifting(?), through the cloud of sand I had just thrown up.