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#694 of 1324 Re: Focus SE [puffin1]
Aug 21, 2011 (7:59 am)
It seems that about the only car makers these days that allow you to pick and choose your options ala-carte are BMW and Mini (there may be a few others), other than those two, packages (with restrictions) are the name of the game. My initial criticism of the Focus surrounded the requirement of opting for an autotragic transmission if one wanted the Titanium package. Of course when I actually got in to a new 2012 I found that not only did Ford shrink the usable interior space compared to the previous generation, they shrank it so much that it now has even less overall legroom than a Mazda2 and something like three inches less than the Mazda3.
While my wife and I have yet to rule out the Focus for our next car, the inability to use it for any of our frequent family trips is a serious drawback compared to the competition (which on our short list includes the 2012 6-Speed Mazda3 SkyActiv-G (or even the 2013 SkyActiv-D) and the 6-Speed Golf TDI).
#695 of 1324 Re: Focus SE [puffin1]
Aug 21, 2011 (3:35 pm)
It's not just that Euro gallons are different, the Euro test cycles are also not the same as the U.S. EPA tests. Also emissions are different. That means a 65 mpg vehicle in Europe might only get 45 in the U.S.
#696 of 1324 less overall legroom than a Mazda2? [shipo]
Aug 21, 2011 (6:25 pm)
I doubt if any of the Fiesta/Mazda2 (or Scirocco/Corrado) can match the new Focus' overall leg room, 'cause I repeatedly sat in them back & forth at the LA Autoshow. The new Focus is still a joke in this area, especially when comparing to something cheap like the Nissan Versa.
I was only a little kid when barely sat comforably inside the Mk1 Scirocco front & back, but it's still no match for the air-cooled Beetle's high-chair back seat (both leg & head room).
Now 5'11", I'm too big even for the new Focus' back seat.
#697 of 1324 Re: less overall legroom than a Mazda2? [creakid1]
Aug 22, 2011 (3:29 am)
I bought a new Gen 1 Scirocco in 1979 and loved that car; what a blast to scream around corners/curves on three wheels.
Funny thing about the Mazda2 versus the 2012 Focus, the dealership where I bought my Mazda3 is a combination Ford and Mazda dealership and I had the opportunity to compare a 2011 Mazda3, a 2012 Focus, and a 2011 Mazda2 side-by-side-by-side, and I was so shocked that the Mazda2 seemed to have a bit more legroom than the Focus that the first thing I did when I got home was to look it up. Sure enough, the Mazda2 has 42.6/33.0/75.6 (Front/Rear/Total) inches of legroom versus 41.9/33.2/75.1 inches. To be sure, both cars are too tight for fitting my family so I guess the point is moot when the Mazda3 has so much more room (42.0/36.2/78.2).
#698 of 1324 I'm Mixed Up with Ford, VW and Mazda
Aug 25, 2011 (7:11 am)
Maybe, I'm getting old or something ,but I've been on this site for 15 years ,they have me down as 2 years.
Anyways Himler, Spyder and Nippon Only had the answers for our Integs and GSR'splus the RSX.
My problem is I have a short list made. .The Ford Fiesta SE HB because of the SFE pk and you can get a moonroff etc; as you can't in the Focus. I have to step up to the SEL HB to get get lumbar, and some other stuff. I never use the backseat in any of my cars and I don't care if they fold flat or not.The Fiesta is about 3k cheaper than the SEl Focus .
Now, the TDI Golf has every thing the Fords do not offer except ,if you get a moonroof I think you have to get navigation also. and the price is maybe $2300.00 more than the Focus.
Now, the Fiesta acording to the dealer w/SFE will get me 40mpg, the Focus 36 mpg I can't get anything out of Mazda on their Sky engine dieasal for milage or price.Oh, I forgot I don't care about rear seat room. Oil is $85.38 a barrell today ,but I wouldn't put much stock in it.
Lastly, I was driving home and stopped at a dealers lot and they left a Mini unlocked and I sat in it and it fit like a glove,however I locked my self in it and it was dark out so I called the police and they got me out. They saw my purple heart plates and one was a Marine so they laughed at the situation. I like the Mini, but living in snow country forget it.
Ok, which car would you buy,bearing in mind diesal cost 50- 60 cents more a gallon?Also, we just got a new governor that has changed the car tax system as no one pays MSRP. So forget bringing the sticker to pay your excise tax and sales tax.Excise tax is $50..00 a thousand of cars value and sales tax is5 %. Thanks Puffin
#699 of 1324 Re: I'm Mixed Up with Ford, VW and Mazda [puffin1]
Aug 29, 2011 (6:56 pm)
You've picked three good ones there. I'll offer up a possible fourth. Kia Rio 5. It's brand new this year, 39 mpg, 5-door hatch. I'm 6'4" and can fit in it!
Best of luck with whatever you get.
#700 of 1324 Re: Focus (new) vs. Fusion (proven) [m6user]
Sep 01, 2011 (5:42 pm)
I currently have a 2010 Fusion Sport. 40K on the clock, Car runs great, handles great, rides great, but Fuel economy sucks. 21.6 MPG. Now that it is out of warranty, of course something broke. The drivers door handle cracked where the spring is, and apparently this is a common thing from 2006 on. You would think they would have improved that.
Just in daily driving to and from work, we spend about $90 a week in gas. I'm considering downsizing to a Focus, if it gets 32 MPG in DD, that would save us roughly $118 a month in gas alone. If I get it for $450 a month or less then I would be saving an additional $50+ a month. We put on 500 miles a week to and from work plus what ever weekend driving we do. At a minimum $168 a month savings might be seen, but going down a size in the car, plus we have 2 car seats in it, I am not sure if it is worth doing. Our family car, when we go out with the whole family is a 2010 Flex, and that is a great car, but it gets 18 MPG, so it is even more expensive to drive daily, But oh so much fun, its Ecoboost, and QUICK!
What kind of MPG can I expect in rural driving, mixed of Country highways and city? As a comparison, a 2009 Camry Hybrid got us 38 MPG, and a Prius 53 MPG. I like driving the Sport, but the FE on it is just not that good.
#701 of 1324 Re: Focus (new) vs. Fusion (proven) [acdii]
Sep 01, 2011 (11:26 pm)
What Fusion do you have 4 or 6?
21.6mpg is about exact for the average EPA on the 6...if you have the 4cyl and you're getting 21.6mpg...that's like the city mpg.
So I'd compare what you get now compared to the Focus EPA.
Fusion 4cyl 21.6mpg (you're getting city mileage) = Focus 27mpg (city)
Fusion 6cyl 21.6mpg (you're getting average) = Focus 31mpg (average)
I used http://www.fueleconomy.gov for these calculations/comparisons.
#702 of 1324 Re: Focus (new) vs. Fusion (proven) [ivan_99]
Sep 02, 2011 (7:09 am)
He says it's a Sport. That is a 6 cyl.
#703 of 1324 Re: Focus (new) vs. Fusion (proven) [m6user]
Sep 02, 2011 (8:57 am)
The Fusion Sport is a 6 cyl but not the more common 3.0L. It's the 3.5L instead.