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#685 of 1324 Re: Focus (new) vs. Fusion (proven) [akirby]
Aug 17, 2011 (10:11 am)
I guess that's why they say "your mileage will vary". I always exceed the EPA ratings in whatever car I drive. I attribute it to using my eyes instead of my brakes and smooth acceleration to speed. I haven't driven the Focus so I cannot compare the two. De gustibus non disputandum est. Which car you choose is a matter of personal preference. There is no right answer. I wondered why people opted for the smaller car when they are similarly priced and have similar power and don't seem that different in size. You prefer the small car as more fun to drive. I agree I would easily break 40 on the highway with the Focus, probably flirt with 45 from time to time (depending on wind and grading changes). I already had the Milan before the new Focus was revealed but would still opt for the Fusion/Milan since it has been tested for years and proven to be reliable. I expect Ford will continue to make very good products; there may be a few bugs that emerge in the first few years of the Focus that get remedied. Certainly the 2010 Fusion is a much improved car over earlier models and the improvements have been incremental and evolutionary. The main reason I posted here is to alert anyone who would cross-shop the two (Fusion v. Focus) that they are essentially the same price. That opinion is not apparent in this forum or other Focus sites and some may wish to try the midsized.
#686 of 1324 Re: Focus (new) vs. Fusion (proven) [pod]
Aug 17, 2011 (10:43 am)
You do realize that Mercury is no longer in business so the Milan is no longer an option. You bought yours about the same time my neighbor bought his and he got a great deal as well because they were closing down Mercury at the time. So to compare what paid for a several year old model AND it being closed out completely to a brand new completely redesigned Focus is not apples to apples by any means.
If you took a comparably equipped Fusion and compared it to a comparably equipped Focus I'm sure there would be a significant difference in MSRP. I'm not talking street prices as that can vary greatly especially on a new model versus one that has run for several years like you say. Focus street prices will come down too once the market adjusts and they get adequate inventory built up.
Bigger is not always better and it is what you're implying. Like someone else said, some people like the smaller vehicle for sporty handling, parking ease, a little better mpg and a slightly smaller price. There is always overlap of prices from the absolute loaded smaller car versus the average next size which is why I say they need to be compared equipment to equipment and similar status in their model runs.
So to say the two are essentially the same price is simply not true. The difference in MSRP between a 2012 Focus SE and a 2012 Fusion SE is $5430. Hardly "essentially the same". The Fusion is over 30% higher than the Focus. Even completely loaded they are still several thousand apart and the MPG difference is about 5 mpg on average....again not insignificant unless you simply don't care about MPG which it is obvious by your comments that you do.
#687 of 1324 Re: Focus (new) vs. Fusion (proven) [m6user]
Aug 17, 2011 (12:09 pm)
I think it's fair to state that even in this economy, the prevailing mentality here is still that bigger is better, with respect to cars. Hopefully, this will continue to shift with more premium c-class models out on the roads.
The MSRP range for the Focus is $16,500 to $22,700k. The MRSP range for Fusion is $19,850 - $29,000. So yea, there is a pretty pronounced difference across the lines. Having said that, the difference shrinks as you move up. A fully optioned Focus Titanium pushes close of $30,000. A fully loaded Fusion tops out at around $33,500. I think this is because while the Focus has shifted upscale, the Fusion has not really shifted to account for the new Focus.
#688 of 1324 Typical Advantages of Smaller Car
Aug 17, 2011 (2:26 pm)
include, but not limited to:
1) lighter weight
2) better handling
3) better FE
4) easier to park and fit into tight spaces (parallel park)
5) less cost
#689 of 1324 Re: Typical Advantages of Smaller Car [andres3]
Aug 17, 2011 (3:17 pm)
Lots of exceptions but typically.....yes.
#690 of 1324 dual zone climate control
Aug 20, 2011 (1:41 pm)
I have a mystery I need help solving. When I set the passenger temp at ...say 74 degrees, turn the car off to go shopping, then get back in and start the car...the passenger temp magically moves up 1 degree. I have just started experimenting, but so far, I stopped the engine and restarted it 3 times and sure enough, the temp went up a total of 3 degrees. Anyone having a similar problem and finding a solution?
Aug 21, 2011 (6:10 am)
Alot of buyers of this SE Focus sedan are women and I guess they do not get the SFE pkg.the dealer doesnt push it, or they aren't on the lot.
However, they opt to have a moonroof put in at a none dealer shop.They do push that.I'm not saying the Focus sedan is a chick car,but I see more women driving them than men. It's probably, because women are more frugal than men.I think a guy would go with a HB more.
The above being said, I go on alot of European motor car web sites.Skoda(never heard of them) and VW is coming out, or have with an 8 spd tranny w/80 mpg.I mean is this possible and if so how come we can't get these 1.2l.1.4l ,or 1.6 l in a diesal?Oh, what's TCi engine?The Brits have cars that avg 40 to 45 MPG.They have to because petrol is double our gas.
I don't know how your portfolio is doing,but I 'd like to see more of the above cars on the market here.
#692 of 1324 Re: Focus SE [puffin1]
Aug 21, 2011 (6:28 am)
"The Brits have cars that avg 40 to 45 MPG.They have to because petrol is double our gas."
Keep in mind the Imperial (British) Gallon in about 16.5% larger than the gallon we use here in the States.
#693 of 1324 Re: Focus SE [shipo]
Aug 21, 2011 (7:13 am)
I'm in Maine now and and within a ten mile radius gas ranges from $357.9 to $379.9 and thanks for the reply.
However, I do not understand the mind set of Ford, Dodge(Fiat) and it's Durango that's been improved in Germany.
I drive my BMW all summer here using Mobile 93 octane and now Mobile is leaving the state and is selling their stations to Citgo.So, now I'tryin' to find a Shell station . I think the country will not recover from the financial situation we are in for a few years ,if it does. So why does't Ford or GM send it's high milage cars here. It's bad enough you have to option the vehicles out ie: you want lumbar support in a Focus ,you updrade to an SEL witl a 302A pkg.It reminds me of what Toyota used to do ,or still does.Fiat isn't selling here .I read their prospectus this morning.If I was a CEO of an European company I'd ship over here cars equipped or optioned out like the Mini, only the size of a Focus ,or Cruze. The Astra a few years ago almost had it right in HB department.
Well, the wife wants me to get rid of the VW with only 8k on it and when we get to Denver,pick up a Subararu that's a Turbo and to stop tryn' to buy American.She's probably right.
#694 of 1324 Re: Focus SE [puffin1]
Aug 21, 2011 (7:59 am)
It seems that about the only car makers these days that allow you to pick and choose your options ala-carte are BMW and Mini (there may be a few others), other than those two, packages (with restrictions) are the name of the game. My initial criticism of the Focus surrounded the requirement of opting for an autotragic transmission if one wanted the Titanium package. Of course when I actually got in to a new 2012 I found that not only did Ford shrink the usable interior space compared to the previous generation, they shrank it so much that it now has even less overall legroom than a Mazda2 and something like three inches less than the Mazda3.
While my wife and I have yet to rule out the Focus for our next car, the inability to use it for any of our frequent family trips is a serious drawback compared to the competition (which on our short list includes the 2012 6-Speed Mazda3 SkyActiv-G (or even the 2013 SkyActiv-D) and the 6-Speed Golf TDI).