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#2157 of 2166 Re: My photo from Nov's "Hemmings Classic Car" [uplanderguy]
Oct 19, 2013 (3:16 am)
A friend suggested I look at this car for sale near me. I wish he hadn't. I can't spend the money! It's a plain-jane '63 Lark Regal (lowline) 4-door, but it looks completely stock (important to me). Original paint color (a 'spring color' introduced several months after the '63's came out), original seats and door panels, correct Studebaker outside mirror and full wheelcovers, correct whitewall width, correct off-white wheels, etc. etc. etc. Too much money but I could sure like driving that and parking it next to all the red Chevy and Ford hardtops and convertibles at local shows.
In two-doors, I like the '64 styling, but in four doors, I like the '63. I really like the rear-door cut and "C" pillar styling. It's a 113-inch wheelbase; seems more like a midsize car in character than other compacts out there. The '63 is odd IMHO to have the clock/tach position in the center of the cluster and the speedo to the right (this car has neither clock nor tach). In '64 the speedo was moved to the more-logical center position, and the ignition switch was moved to the right of the steering column.
Also, on craigslist there is a green '63 Hawk very near me that is advertised as 'powered by Avanti' (Stude folks really like that option). "Barn find". I've offered to go look and get the serial, engine, and body nos. which can easily be verified by lists out there of the original Avanti-powered car build sheets. It'll be fun.
#2158 of 2166 Re: My photo from Nov's "Hemmings Classic Car" [uplanderguy]
Oct 19, 2013 (7:42 am)
Very nice car at a reasonable price but I think that you might be able to lower the price by making an offer that $1,000 or so less. If it sells fast, I am wrong. There are many Studebaker colors that I did not care for, but they often had nice greens and that is one of them.
#2159 of 2166 Re: My photo from Nov's "Hemmings Classic Car" [jljac]
Oct 22, 2013 (1:49 am)
I know a guy who lives in the same town as where that Lark is for sale, who has a '63 Cruiser in the very same color, but with chestnut interior and of course the Cruiser interior is significantly plusher. He bought it from a little old lady schoolteacher who had bought it new.
#2160 of 2166 Re: My photo from Nov's "Hemmings Classic Car" [uplanderguy]
Oct 23, 2013 (2:14 am)
A friend and I went to look at the '63 Gran Turismo Hawk advertised on the Akron/Canton (OH) Craigslist. It is an R1 (Avanti powered; not supercharged) and we know already that it has its original engine as the number I wrote down matches published information on Avanti-powered cars. In fact, it's one of 55 Super Hawks (cars built with the complete High Performance Package, which includes disc brakes, radius rods and rear stabilizer, full instruments including tach and floorshift automatic--PRND21), and that 55 number includes R1 and R2 cars (published info didn't go any further 'deep' than that number).
Some rust in lower fenders, typical, but trunk corners looked very good. Patches in front floors.
He's asking $6K OBO, which is probably optimistic, but who knows.
It has been in dry storage since '91 when last driven. He says he sprayed oil down where the plugs are and got the car to turn over.
Way above my pay grade, but an interesting car I'd have loved to see when new. It's "Blue Mist", a lightish metallic blue, with blue interior and white bucket seat inserts.
Oct 23, 2013 (6:07 am)
Is this Avanti the color called "blue mist"? GM had a similar color I saw on a Chev convertible, circa 1960, last summer. Beautiful color.
#2163 of 2166 Re: My photo from Nov's "Hemmings Classic Car" [uplanderguy]
Oct 23, 2013 (7:13 am)
Sounds like it would have been a stunning car, also a way to spend 50K to get 25K.
#2164 of 2166 Re: My photo from Nov's "Hemmings Classic Car" [fintail]
Oct 23, 2013 (7:28 am)
I always think of what a car like that would've been like new. The entire "Super" package is extremely rare. It had the grille badge indicating that, but those have been put on non-'package' cars before, by owners.
Just for fun, I'd like to see where it was sent new. I don't want to spend the $25, but I'd love to know who bought it new, if it was ordered or not, and what the guy traded in. Someone is checking on the first thing for me now.
#2165 of 2166 Re: Blue mist [uplanderguy]
Oct 23, 2013 (8:11 am)
The Avanti had its own colors that were separate from the rest of the Studebaker line. They were Avanti white, red, gold, turquoise, gray and black. Red and white were the most common colors, gray and black the least common.
Here is a good site that shows the Avanti colors BUT it says that no black Avantis were sold. This is wrong because James Bond author Ian Flemming had the first black one and that color was offered in both the 1963 and 64 model year at an additional charge. http://www.theavanti.net/paint_colors.html
#2166 of 2166 Re: My photo from Nov's "Hemmings Classic Car" [uplanderguy]
Oct 23, 2013 (9:09 am)
I might add, that 55 number for quantity of "Super Hawks" (built with the complete, optional 'High Performance Package') is for real--done by a dedicated team who looked through over 35K individual 1963 V8 Studebaker build sheets in the '90's.
I always have to chuckle a bit at what is considered 'low production' for a Big Three model. A fuelie '62 Corvette (absolutely delicious to me!) was posted as being very rare at 1,900+ units. Rare for a Chevy, but that's how many 1963 AND 1964 Studebaker Hawks and Lark-types with Avanti powerplants, supercharged and not, were built!
P.S. I know rarity doesn't equate with value, just sayin'.