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Buick LaCrosse, Sedan
#48 of 87 Re: NAV updates [e_net_rider]
Nov 09, 2010 (8:15 am)
I just spoke with a rep on the NAV tel #. There is yet no update currently for my 2011 (7/10 production) and won't be until sometime in 2011. My version is U40D V 20.09.03. The rep said we should get 1 free Nav disk from the dealer. I didn't, did any one get one? After the first one, was told updates would be about $200 US. The only disk in my owners packet was an Onstar Audio CD with instructions/service summaries. I'm thinking of waiting until the update comes out to request the DVD as mine works pretty well . One 2+ year old major shopping center with a big movie plex wasn't there...Onstar provided input to find it...
#49 of 87 Re: NAV updates [gberpa]
Nov 09, 2010 (8:41 am)
As I mentioned earlier, it has no clue of where my daughter lives and those roads have existed probably at least 5 years. And on the way home from there it tried to direct me on a road that does not yet exist. The turn out for it exists but I was met by an old rusty gate. In the headlights I could see it was a marshy area that had no sign of work being done.
It would be interesting to know if those last digits represent a date as different formats are used in different parts of the world. One that comes to mind would indicate the date as 20 SEP 2003.
BTW, being directed to turn into a narrow cutout with tall grass either side, in the dark especially, and the pavement abruptly changing to loose gravel on a downslope and a steel gate just 10' beyond is a safety hazard.
If the disk was not shipped with vehicle, then GM owes us the update disk, not the dealer. How certain was the rep you spoke to. Get it in writing if you can and I'd like a copy.
#51 of 87 Re: Headrest - Pain in the neck [e_net_rider]
Nov 14, 2010 (9:19 am)
For those who have complaints about the headrest, you might be able to gleen some info from this:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/Rulemaking/Rules/Associated20Files/202FinalRule.p- - df
It is roughly 174 pages of stuff and shows the government ruling against concerns for those who sit in a more erect position despite concerns brought forth by automakers that a little over 10% of the populations chooses that upright position. Further, at one point they were considering allowing more space between headrest and head for taller people, the very ones that tend to ride more inclined.
Also the average factory design was an angle of 23 degrees but in their mandate the testing is to meet requirements must be 25degrees 'or greater'. (Was this panel stacked with blacks driving from the back seat?)
And something that smells like prejudice to me, some automakers have active head restraints (none from Detroit). They mandated that those systems meet the same criteria as to positioning before becoming active so the same machine used for testing would also work on those systems. There was quite a bit of discussion about which machine to use and some of them sounded better to me. NHTSA(aka NHTWTS, nit wits) ruled to use what seems like an antiquated machine because it was the most common in use.
Give me your interpretation of that document.
It appears to get this fixed, complaining to GM/Buick is just a start. We will need to beat up NHTSA and talk to our Congress about the stupidity that exists in NHTSA's house.
Maybe we can get NHTSA to pay for this mistake.
That is I've noticed the trend of these terribly inclined headrests in several models over the last couple of years. This Buick one is the worst.
Those of you who have good backs and necks might think this does not concern you. But, whether by accident or aging your orthopedic or chiropractor tells you good posture is a must to reduce pain, you will then know how important it is to sit upright and not have something slapping the back of your head. Can I enlist your support, please?
#53 of 87 Re: Headrest - Pain in the neck [e_net_rider]
Nov 17, 2010 (9:48 pm)
Your link is broken. Perhaps this is what you were trying to give us: http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/Rulemaking/Rules/Associated%20Files/202FinalRule.- pdf (not active, must cut and paste).
But whatever the rules that Buick has complied with, I find no fault with the head restraints in my CXS. Whiplash is a very serious result of many rear end accidents. I think your chiropractor would likely favor a deterrent to serious neck injury as opposed to posture comfort, comfort that I find extremely good in my new car. Just recline a bit more and your head won't contact the restraint. I would not join your effort to have the rules repealed. I think safety is paramount, which is why I opted for the rear thorax bags.
#54 of 87 Re: Headrest - Pain in the neck [bobinor]
Nov 18, 2010 (3:43 am)
Yes link is messed up, Edmunds was having server trouble that day.
Laying back is not acceptable because such poor posture while driving causes aggravation to my problems. Although it may not cause an immediate problem for you it will catch up with time/use and age. Whiplash are common enough that they get a lot of attention and have treatment. Spread those injuries out over several places on the body, sort of like treating repetitive use injuries for a wide range of occupations and it does not get the attention toward a curative action.
And if you read enough of the rule, you'd see that NHTSA was not acting in the best interest of the driver or patient or even listening to auto makers of what has worked. They did listen but took that input and their own and created rules that are just plain overkill and remain to be seen effective.
The head being forced toward chest very much resembles how Marines are taught hand to hand combat to kill an enemy. Much like the incident a couple of years ago where the 70+ Marine on vacation tour near Cauncan killed one of the two robbers. So you don't have to worry about whiplash? I guess not, what is to worry if you are dead? Besides, your insurance premiums might go down. It is much cheaper to deal with the dead ones.
How long will it take to figure out what is going on via your doctor when problems start showing up caused by driving with poor posture?
The worse injury does not occur when the head is going back but when your chin meets your chest.
And they have blundered with this before, since the time headrests became mandatory. Some earlier designs had the headrest too stiff compared to the seat back. Thus when rear-ended, your body being propelled back, the trunk of your body sunk into the seat but your head met the stiff restraint and forced forward to chest.
"Not repealed, but fixed!"
Maybe they just need to consider it rocket science and use something like on the shuttles to absorb the energy. Is high density memory foam that expensive? And it returns slowly to the original position.
BTW, I ordered mine with those thorax bags and knew there was no insurance premium benefit for them.
#55 of 87 Re: Headrest - Pain in the neck [e_net_rider]
Nov 19, 2010 (9:11 pm)
So when are you getting rid of your CXS? It sounds like you've built yourself a case for insurmountable incompatibilities.
#56 of 87 Re: Headrest - Pain in the neck [bobinor]
Nov 20, 2010 (12:17 am)
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I'm hoping to hear from someone on a fix. Not a good fix, but headrests do turn around.
Dec 01, 2010 (4:18 am)
I have had terrible smells entering vehicle, even in recirculate.
Is there something wrong with my vehicle?
According to ACDelco site, "Cabin Air Filters
The air inside your vehicle may actually contain more pollutants than the air outside. That's why ACDelco Cabin Air Filters are designed to help filter out molds, pollen, allergens, smoke, fumes, and odors. When changed regularly, our filters can help reduce wear on your vehicle's heating, ventilation, and air conditioning system. Here are more great reasons to use ACDelco Cabin Air Filters:
•Advanced filter media technology helps reduce particles that reach the interior, for more comfort
•Highly durable and reliable
•Remove most allergens from the air before it enters the vehicle's ventilation system
•12-month/12,000-mile limited warranty (whichever comes first)*
•Designed to fit most of today's vehicles that are equipped with a cabin air filter
Note it says odors are filtered so I must have something wrong.