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#94 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [faircomparo]
May 12, 2011 (10:25 am)
I guess I will have to drive the 2012 Civic to see for myself if the massive refinement from the 2006 thru 2011 models to the 2012 you noted is actually evident to me. I will also drive an Elantra. With regard to the hail damage, while waiting in long lines for insurance adjustment I saw pretty much every make represented all with mostly large amounts of damage. I can only recount my own story and the cars in question were literally parked less than 10 feet from each other. I never thought I would look upon a mid-90's Dodge product as a paragon of quality (although after 14 years of ownership it is pretty good in that respect) but compared to our Civic it was incredibly hail resistant and, as I stated, suffered minimal shallow dents. But the Honda!!! Terrible.
#95 of 224 Re: Elantra GLS is a lower trim level than Civic EX [kirstie_h]
May 12, 2011 (11:04 am)
I guess I was not clear. I have never signed any form for ANY kind of test drive, including solo's. Just provide proof that I am licensed. And I've done dozens of those over the years. Maybe laws or dealer practices are different in MN than where you live.
#96 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [targettuning]
May 12, 2011 (1:21 pm)
I saw a parking lot full of hail damaged cars and some were much worse than others and the makes and models didn't seem to matter.
#97 of 224 Re: Elantra GLS is a lower trim level than Civic EX [backy]
May 12, 2011 (1:24 pm)
Some stores are sloppy about sold test drives. After reading about a three hour 100 mile abusive test drive, hopefully you can see why?
We once had a customer with the gall to drive a car from another store to our store so he could test drive one of ours. We ended up selling him a car.
Four hours later, we called that other store and asked them to come get their car. Somehow, it left our lot wth our licence plate frames installed on it!
#98 of 224 Re: Elantra GLS is a lower trim level than Civic EX [isellhondas]
May 12, 2011 (8:20 pm)
Actually, my friend bought the Honda, so no damage done to the Honda dealer. My friend was actually going to by the Elantra until he went on this test drive. For those who complained about the abuse we gave both these cars on our test drive, both the Honda and Elantra sales people were asked if we could test the cars back to back on an exhaustive test. The Hyandai sales person said he normally goes on the test drive but since we wanted to test both cars he rathered we went alone so "he wouldn't know what we did on our test drive." his words not mine. We did go for longer than he thought, but he knew he didn't specify a time limit. We had a good talk to him on our return and talked to him about what we found. He said he had taken the new Civic on a test drive himself a couple of days earlier when they had first arrived at the adjacent Honda dealership. He told us straight out that he also agreed with us "that the new Civic was a better drivers car than the Elantra, but that the Elantra had more features for $2000 less money." [The Elantra by the way was a demonstrator car with nearly 500 miles on it. The Honda however was brand new with only 10 miles on it before we drove and then bought it.]
The Civic has now been owned for one week and is averaging 37.5mpg on mixed hwy/city driving. (yes it is been driven carefully now) My friend said he enjoys driving the car and loved going on a long drive through the country just for the fun of driving it. He liked the look of the Elantra better and that along with price and warranty were the reasons for his initial decision. But after driving both over the tests we put them through he had and still has no regrets whatsoever that he bought the Civic, and the Civic's looks are growing on him!
#99 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [isellhondas]
May 13, 2011 (4:01 am)
Yeah, some cars were more/less damaged depending on which part of town they were in when the storm hit BUT in my case both were 10 feet apart and I can assure you the Honda took the much larger hit (pun intended!). Very thin sheet metal on at least the trunk lid, hood, and roof surfaces. Even damaged along the flanks of the car. So, if the intent was to "prove" that all kinds of cars can be damaged from severe hail that much is true but when the Honda looked like the cars on that recent TV commercial (for an insurance company) where a lawn tractor runs through a gravel pit peppering two cars with thrown gravel and the Dodge survived intact for the most part...well, no one will convince me the Honda isn't inferior as far as sheet metal integrity. End of "my" story.
#100 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [targettuning]
May 13, 2011 (6:27 am)
About ten years ago, a freak hailstorm hit our area. It missed our store but hit a nearby Honda dealer. Cars were literally parked side by side. Some cars had pretty bad damage and others were barely affected. All were Hondas so please explain that one!
If the truth be known I would think that sheet metal thickness isn't going to vary much between different makes of cars.
#101 of 224 Re: Elantra GLS is a lower trim level than Civic EX [faircomparo]
May 13, 2011 (6:48 am)
In my 14 years of selling Hondas, we did let a few people out on their own but I NEVER had someone leave for three hours. The words "exhaustive test" would have waved red flags at me.
Most people that do things like that are non serious joyriders or strokes.
You were the exception and I still think what you did was over the top even though the car was sold.
100 miles? Three hours? 90 MPH? Sorry, unnecessary, abusive and WAY over the top!
#102 of 224 2012 LX sit test
May 13, 2011 (8:35 am)
I checked out a 2012 LX at my local dealer today. Did not drive it because I won't be buying a car until next year, and didn't want to waste the sales rep's time. My impressions:
* Comfortable driving position, although the wheel doesn't tilt up quite as much as I'd like. Also would like a little more thigh support (common issue with single-lever height adjusters).
* Cloth looked nice but seemed kinda thin compared to Civics of yore.
* Lots of hard grey plastic on the dash. Decent quality plastic, but a step below interiors of competitors such as Cruze, Focus, Mazda3, and Elantra.
* Snazzy display for radio and other functions. Also could be distracting to the driver, IMO. Position was nice, though--in the instrument binnacle vs. in the center of the dash. I wonder how visible it is to the front passenger?
* Plastic wheel was thick and has audio, computer, and cruise controls.
* Armrests were padded with cloth, albeit thinly.
* Vanity mirrors not illuminated.
* Rear seat legroom was more than Cruze, maybe a tad more than Focus, and less than Elantra and Jetta. In the sit-behind-me test (I'm 5'9-1/2"), my ankles hit the bottom of the front seat before my thighs were resting fully on the seat, i.e. "knees in the air" syndrome. Good foot space though. No rear center armrest as most competitors have. Rear seat only folds in one piece--need to get the EX for 60/40 (which most competitors have standard). Headroom was fine in back (and in front).
* Glove box seemed big, but lid falls open with a "clunk" (not damped).
* Doors close with a nice "thunk".
* Plastic wheel covers looked OK on the 15" wheels (down from 16" on the 2011 Civic).
* Trunk was roomy. Lid has conventional hinges vs. struts (seems more and more new cars are moving back to the cheaper hinges).
Overall, an improvement over the 2011 Civic, especially in rear seat room and some added features such as ESC and audio controls on the wheel. Also improved fuel economy. But considering it's about $1000 more than an Elantra GLS that has 16" alloys, Bluetooth, XM radio, roomier back seat with center armrest, nicer dash and door panels, heated mirrors, illuminated vanity mirrors, rear disc brakes, one more cog in the AT, 60/40 rear seat, and a longer warranty, the value proposition is questionable. Will have to wait until a test drive to see if the everyday driving dynamics make up for the difference.
#103 of 224 Re: 2012 LX sit test [backy]
May 13, 2011 (1:42 pm)
Great sitting review of the new Civic! You're summary of info is correct for the 2012 LX except for rear seat leg room. We looked at a LX Civic and took it on a test drive before exchanging it for an EX. The LX is definatly outclassed by its competition for features and even though it drives well, it's outclassed by its better equipped sibling the EX. [Just a note of comparison the EX is quiter to drive than the LX]
When we had both the '11 Elantra and '12 Civic parked side by side we slid both front seats all the way back as far as they would go to compare seat room. The Civic had about 1.5" more legroom than the Elantra in the back seat. Sitting in the back my knees just cleared the Elantra's front seat while I had a couple of inches to spare in the Civic. However, the Elantra had about 2" more room in the front seats. But the Civic's rear seats like it's front seats were more comfortable to sit in than the Elantra's. The front seat room in the Civic was fine I'd say for a 6' 6" driver while the Elantra could possibly be comfortable for a 6' 10" driver. I think the Civic got the balance just right for the average height range of drivers for both front and rear occupants. The new '12 Civic has more cabin room overall than the '11 model. This is substantiated by the new models interior cabin dimensions.
My only wish was that the LX and EX both had a better combination of cabin materials and a better overall dash. But interestingly, instrumentation design and erogonomics were better in the Civic than in the Elantra. But as far as first impressions go the Elantra wins. However, drive both for a while and try adjusting the controls while driving the Elantra it's not as easy to do as it is in the Civic which wins for perfect placement of everything. It may not look as pretty but it is sure functional. Controls are all at correct height, gauges are sweet and everything is simple to use. Not so for the Elantra, Hyandai has placed form over function in the Elantra's cabin. It's like they had an item check list and yes everything is there, it looks initially a nice design until you try using while driving. It's like they forgot the road test it. You will have to test both cars together or as closly as possible to see which car you like more. But you must road test both to find the Civic's hidden qualities. I've now read a few professional reviews and they're saying simlar things, that the '12 Civic is a better overall car than the Elantra.