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#44 of 224 Re: Elantra 2011 vs Civic 2012 [lcw1]
Apr 25, 2011 (3:40 am)
No, the 2012 Civic IS a refreshed 2006-11 model in that is has the exact same drivetrain (engine and transmission, a 5 speed auto. at that as others such as the Elantra have moved on to a 6 speed) as the prior generation. Many of the body panels were revised somewhat as were the grill and headlights. Same with the rear tailights and bumper. The interior was refreshed as well with an evolution of the radical dash/instrumentation introduced in 2006. Without looking I'd bet the interior/trunk space is the same, or slightly increased, as the previous generation as well. As far as the comment "a few issues over the years" you may not know about THE major potential issue (among several others )but I do because I own a 2006 EX sedan and have received the recalls and extended warranty information. What am I talking about? Well, it seems certain 2006, 2007, and even 2008 Civics experienced cracked engine blocks that required an engine replacement around $4500-5000. Early on before Honda was forced to acknowledge this fault, which by the way resulted from a casting flaw or engineering screw-up, owners were forced to pay out of pocket for an engine replacement, or depending on the dealership at least a portion of it. Finally, after this problem started to show up with more regularity on more than one model year Honda started to take notice. So, after 3 model years and 5 years after the 2006's were released I got an "extended" engine warranty in the mail late last year (2010). This among various other issues I have had and other potential issues I have been told to take the car in to have checked. Nope, I believe the Honda name is running on fumes. Just my opinion as a first (and last) time owner.
#45 of 224 Re: Elantra 2011 vs Civic 2012 [targettuning]
Apr 25, 2011 (5:33 am)
After further research I have determined that the 2012 Civic interior appears to be significantly larger in several key dimensions (compared to the 06-10) as is the trunk. The passenger volume is larger at 94.6 (cu. ft.) verses 83. something for the 06-10 models. However the Elantra still has a larger passenger volume but not by much 95.6 cu. ft. BUT the cargo volume (trunk) is much larger 14.8 cu. ft. verses 12.5 cu. ft. so if I spoke out of a lack of research this should correct any mis-statements I made about the 12 Civic not having increased interior/trunk space
#46 of 224 Re: Elantra 2011 vs Civic 2012 [targettuning]
Apr 25, 2011 (7:16 am)
While you're making corrections, note that the 2012 Civic's powertrain can't be exactly like 2006-11, or the FE numbers wouldn't be any better than for 2011. But they are. So Honda must have tweaked the powertrain for 2012 even if the engine size, HP, and number of cogs in the tranny are the same.
#47 of 224 Re: Elantra 2011 vs Civic 2012 [backy]
Apr 26, 2011 (2:45 am)
OK, going back to the Honda site I have found that it is the same size (1.8 liter), has the same horsepower (140) and torque (128 lb-ft) the same configuration (SOHC i-VTEC) BUT the site states it has "many friction reducing and airflow improvements" so maybe not totally the same but...close enough! Honda credits improvements in fuel economy to "Weight-saving technologies, improved aerodynamics and engine modifications result in a new Civic with some impressive new EPA ratings" In any case I'd bet it drives the same as mine as far as engine performance so in my book that make it the same.
#48 of 224 Re: Elantra 2011 vs Civic 2012 [backy]
Apr 26, 2011 (12:26 pm)
Since I pushed the retirement button last year I have no "skin in the game" so please don't jump back at me for being a Honda person.
Today I was in my old store having my oil changed and one of my buddies handed me the keys to a 2012 Civic LX and said " let's go!"
And so we did. I didn't see any of the cheapness someone mentioned about the interior. It looked just fine to me.
The first thing I noticed was the fact that finally they have taken great strides in getting rid of the road noise that Hondas have always been critized for. A remarkable change. They car was also much stiffer. It felt more like an Accord than a Civic.
The engine had more pep and around corners, it seemed even more nimble than before.
Looking at the car from the side it looked about the same as the 2006-2011's but the front and rear looked better...I know...my opinion.
I'm the first to admit that Hyundai has made great strides. They are still, however, Korean cars that carry the Korean stigma. This may go away someday but as used cars, they do not sell well either on the lot or in the auctions. I realize this could change in the future but for the time being it is what it is. Dismal resale value compared to Honda or Toyota.
They have a longer powertrain warranty which in my book is no big deal. They were forced to go to that given the problematic cars they initially brought to market. It is doubtful anyone would need that warranty on any modern car. Sound good though, and that's the flag they wave.
I think Honda should simply raise their prices a bit and match that warranty since some "warranty people" no doubt buy cars simply because of that.
All in all, nothing earthshaking, just some nice refinement on what was already a great car!
#49 of 224 Re: Elantra 2011 vs Civic 2012 [targettuning]
Apr 26, 2011 (3:57 pm)
Have you driven the new 2012 model? So if not, you are making a big assumption here. Isell did drive the car and he tells a different story. So I'll believe him over you since he actually drove one. Now if you have indeed driven one, that's a whole different story.
And my '06 with just over 31k miles drives just like it did when I drove it off the lot...still a great car which will be around for a long time I hope!
#50 of 224 Re: Elantra 2011 vs Civic 2012 [isellhondas]
Apr 26, 2011 (7:25 pm)
You are clearly still a "Honda" person who is living in the past. Wake up. There is no longer a "stigma" in buying a Korean car... except maybe in your mind and in the minds of your buddies at the Honda store. Have you noticed that the new Hyundais are selling for near MSRP these days? How does that equate with stigma? How does that equate with low resale value? What has hurt resale values in the past are the low selling prices. Selling prices are up. Resale values are up. Check out ALG residuals for the newer Hyundais. Not "dismal compared to Honda or Toyota". It's the Toyotas that are selling at big discounts now, not Hyundais.
If Hondas are as good as you say they are, they wouldn't have to raise their prices to offer a 10-year powertrain warranty, because it would never be used. Right?
I am glad to see the new Civic is an improvement over the old one. Will have to check it out when test-drive time comes for the next round of car buying. But at $19.4k, the Civic LX will have to be pretty darn good.
#51 of 224 Re: Elantra 2011 vs Civic 2012 [sandman_6472]
Apr 27, 2011 (2:38 am)
No, I have not driven one yet but since the engine has the exact same specifications as mine I wouldn't expect it to perform differently, or at least by "seat of the pants" feel. I admit it may be a tenth of a second quicker to 30-50-60 or whatever but that would be unnoticeable to most, me included. But if you want to get technical I'll reserve judgement until I drive one.
#52 of 224 2012 Civic
Apr 27, 2011 (9:16 pm)
I had a 2006 Civic and I currently have a 2005 Accord. The Civic had a misdesigned rear suspension and that had to be replaced at 65000 miles. Honda agreed to pay half of that. My 2006 was a coupe, which I thought was a nice looking car. I sold it and kept the Accord. I did not like the 2006-2011 four door design. I hate the look of the 2012 four door. I have not seen the coupe. For some reason, I do not find them on the lot. Honda has real problems with design. Outside of the 2006-2011 coupe, I have not liked any of the designs on the Accord or Civic. However, what they do have is quality. At least, that has been true on the Accord. The 2008-2012 Accord design is pathetic. I don't know why Honda has such sorry designs. Please understand that this post is coming from a Honda fan.
#53 of 224 Re: 2012 Civic [temj12]
Apr 28, 2011 (4:19 pm)
"""The 2008-2012 Accord design is pathetic"""
I beg your pardon ? To start with, your comment regarding Accord design is in the wrong room as this is for Civic discussion. Secondly, as someone who is now on his third Accord coupe of this generation (that's right- 3rd) I personally find the design quite pleasing, as do likely the other 400,000 or so consumers who purchase the Accord in the United States every single year.