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#110 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [isellhondas]
May 25, 2011 (7:02 am)
OK... the user name"isellhondas" is explaination enough for me. I know what I saw and nobody, even (especially!) a Honda salesman/person can convince me otherwise. There isn't a reason two cars so close together wouldn't experience the same amount of hail hitting each, neither was shielded, totally or partially, by a shrub, tree, or building overhang and the Honda got the worst of it and the only reason I can think of is sheetmetal thickness or lack thereof.
#111 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [faircomparo]
May 25, 2011 (1:29 pm)
Inside line did the comparison. They clear indicated Civic is still the best in terms of Engine and suspension. But Honda is falling behind price per content spec. I am kinda bit disappointed in Elantra in that comparison. It is time for Hyundai to get Engine and Suspension as good as Honda. Honda may be trying to compete with the price by cheapening interior.
#112 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [rustum]
May 25, 2011 (2:46 pm)
How is 148 hp and 29/40 mpg from the same displacement as the Civic's engine inferior?
Cheapening of the Civic's interior has been going on for several generations. But it's not just Honda doing it. Unfortunately for Honda, several competitors such as Chevy, Ford, Mazda, and Hyundai have stepped up their game interior-wise while Honda has been cutting corners.
#113 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [backy]
May 25, 2011 (5:59 pm)
I do not know. That is what insideline comparison found out. They still rated Civic Engine and suspension better. I do not think so Elantra engine is inferior. I guess, they just liked rev happy Civic engine better. But Elantra is ahead of Civic when it comes to interior and features for less price.
#114 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [backy]
May 26, 2011 (6:16 am)
"How is 148 hp and 29/40 mpg from the same displacement as the Civic's engine inferior?"
I've been reading some of the posts over on the Elantra forum and the owners aren't to happy with the 23-25 mpg in the city they have been getting in their 2011's. I would hope at some point Hyundai would put a direct-injection engine in the Elantra so those advertised mpg's were more obtainable.
#115 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [sivicman]
May 26, 2011 (8:59 am)
I would not take a couple of cases as indicative of overall FE of any car.
I got over 33 mpg on a 2011 Elantra in mostly heavy traffic in Austin recently. YMMV. Some people have a much heavier foot than others.
#116 of 224 Does 2011 Civic Sedan floormats fit Civic 2012 Sedan
Jun 01, 2011 (6:56 pm)
I bought Civic 2012 Sedan, but i can only find the floormats for 2011 model, will it fit the 2012 Model, and what material is recommended in Seattle area, raining 9 months in a year.
#117 of 224 Re: Does 2011 Civic Sedan floormats fit Civic 2012 Sedan [iwemeada]
Jun 02, 2011 (9:03 pm)
Did you get the DX? All other trims come with factory floormats.
If you got the DX, your best bet might be to get them direct from the dealer (they must be able to order some for you), or from a company that specializes in made-to-fit mats (good option if you want all-weather mats), or just get basic mats from your local discount store and trim-to-fit.
#118 of 224 Re: Elanta 2011 vs Civic 2012 [targettuning]
Jun 04, 2011 (7:17 am)
I guess you are determined that Hondas suffer more hail damage than other cars do.
Think whatever you want. I'm retired and have no skin in the game.
I think if the sheet metal were measured for thickness they would probably be close to the same.
All modern cars have tinfoil for sheetmetal now. They do this to reduce weight and to insure the crumple zones work as they should.
#119 of 224 2012 Civic de-contenting...
Jun 07, 2011 (9:21 am)
Yesterday I went to the dealer to see in person the new 2012 Civic. I did not drive, just made an "inspection"... While there is a lot to like about the 2012, I also found several things that Honda took away from previous versions (2006-2011).
The cup holders lost the sliding cover, which I actually LOVE in my 2009. Now the cup holders are exposed and very not elegant.
Illuminated window switches are on the EX models only, but not on the LX (which have driver only, as on the 2009). In general, the EX has nicer trim inside, more chrome, etc.
Honda also did away with the chrome covering part on the shifter. It's now a black plastic instead, and makes it look more cheap.
The 2009 lacks in storage bins, and the 2 tiny bins on the left side of the steering wheel can not be closed, it is open and exposed. But on the 2012 they eliminated them all completely. No storage bins, cubbies, nothing! (the 2 bins are replaced with some stability control switches). And the lower bin at the bottom of the door is also smaller from the already small on the previous versions!
Kudos to Toyota and Honda that they manage to design the rear seat without the HUMP in the floor, so even the middle passenger can stretch his/her legs comfortably. Unlike most other manufacturers, which for some reason they are unable to figure out how to do away with the transmission hump. Even in larger sedans.