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#8 of 29 Re: Manual transmission in 2011 anyone? [rodut]
Nov 06, 2010 (9:02 am)
My wife has established a new rule...
If we're taking the Porsche for a drive then I must take it out first, alone, and get "it" out of my system and then come back and pick her up. Strange rule since she's as "bad" as I am behind the wheel given the opportunity.
IMMHO the only reason for a stick shift in an SUV, HEAVY SUV such as the Cayenne, is for FE. Now that torque converters are being eliminated that argument is no longer valid.
#9 of 29 Re: Manual transmission in 2011 anyone? [wwest]
Nov 06, 2010 (9:21 am)
My knowledge could be obsolete, but I don't know:
_ what IMMHO means ?
_ what FE means ?
_ what has the torque converter to do with a manual transmission ? The torque converter is a part of an automatic transmission. It slips to allow smooth automatic gear changes. Or it locks to save gas. There is no such part in a manual transmission.
Basically what I was saying is that computers replacing us makes life crappier. Driving becomes transportation. At the limit, if computers will become smart enough to drive the car without any driver intervention, then riding your Porche will be exactly as exciting as riding a bus (driven by somebody else).
Is it exciting to ride a bus ? Do you say: "oohh man ... today I rode a bus ... it was soooo exciting ..." ? Does it matter if it is a Buick bus, or a Porche bus ?? You are sleeping in it anyway !
#10 of 29 Re: Manual transmission in 2011 anyone? [rodut]
Nov 06, 2010 (9:51 am)
In my most humble opinion.
"..The torque converter is a part of an automatic transmission..."
Not any more....
The new dual clutch, DSG, automatic transmissions do not use a torque converter so that loss factor is eliminated.
"...Driving becomes transportation..."
Yes, and isn't that nice...!
#11 of 29 Re: Manual transmission in 2011 anyone? [wwest]
Nov 06, 2010 (9:37 pm)
IMMHO the torque converter was worsening the FE because it was slipping. The "new dual clutch" will slip too (this is what clutches do !). Anyway, I really don't care how automatic transmissions work.
About driving becoming transportation, no that is not nice. The passion dissapears. Transportation (by bus, or by a computer driven car) from point A to point B has nothing to do with passion. What kind of life is that when there is nothing to be passionate about ?!
That reminds me my old Volvo 240 station wagon. It was the car I loved the most. Pure passion. And if you search the web you will see that legions of people loved it to death. I drove it for about 10 years even if the engine power was laughable. It had absolutely no f...ing computer, anything was so simple that I replaced parts by myself many times. I remember drilling holes in the interior door panels to bypass broken electrical cables ! Try to fix or modify something on a Cayenne electrical system ! There is absolutely no way you can play with the damn computer on wheels. I think you are pretty young, and have no clue what kind of pleasure / happiness / passion you can feel when really playing with a car. And "playing" sometimes didn't even require removing it from the garage.
#12 of 29 Re: Manual transmission in 2011 anyone? [rodut]
Nov 06, 2010 (10:44 pm)
I was 70 in July and my earliest "driving" experience was behind a team of mules pulling a busting plow or harrow or what have you. Graduated shortly thereafter to Farmall, AC, Deere, and Ford Ferguson tractors.
#13 of 29 Re: Manual transmission in 2011 anyone? [wwest]
Nov 07, 2010 (8:19 pm)
Man ... so your spirit is still young ...
Good for you.
So I was wrong about your age.
I tend to be the common older guy, and regret the past. I definitely had my moments of pure happiness fixing those simple cars. And the noise of that 4 cylinder engine barely able to push that brick ... I get melancholic when I remember it. It's a pity I didn't tape it. Sometimes I still go on brickboard.com to see how they are fixing those old bricks (the 240s and 740s were affectionately called "bricks").
#14 of 29 Re: Manual transmission in 2011 anyone? [rodut]
Nov 07, 2010 (10:22 pm)
Probably my most fun keeping running and driving was a 4 cylinder/stick shift Sunbeam Alpine, little "sister" to the Sunbeam Tiger bought back in ~66 and gave away 3 times.
#15 of 29 Re: Manual transmission in 2011 anyone? [wwest]
Nov 17, 2010 (8:17 pm)
I am looking for one in the North east--any prices --who would be a good dealer?
#16 of 29 So...can I get a manual
Dec 25, 2010 (9:31 am)
About 3 months ago my wife and I went into a Porsche dealer and were told that you could not get a manual in a Cayenne. The Porsche website will still allow you to configure one with a manual. Does anyone know with certainty whether a manual is truly available on this vehicle? Like others, my wife and I treasure the manual transmission. We had one in her BMW X3 and had to turn it in before the next model year was available (though they don't offer a manual in that now either)...so we are stuck with a very unpleasant MDX and are thinking of biting the bullet on it if the Cayenne is available with a manual.
Thanks in advance...
#17 of 29 Just ordered manual tranny Cayenne
Jan 18, 2011 (7:39 pm)
Just ordered a base Cayenne, manual transmission. Based upon the configuration I ordered (normal options), my dealer has agreed that if I don't like it after it arrives, I don't have to take it. But based upon my previous drives of a manual transmission Cayenne GT-S, I suspect I will find it to my liking.
I'm 53, my wife is 51 and other than our current MDX, neither one of us has ever owned an automatic. Prior to the MDX, we owned an Isuzu Trooper 5-speed. It was a dog, but the automatic version was an even bigger dog.
With regard to the Cayenne, the price savings ($3k+) is significant, the performance advantage (.5 sec 0-60) is noticable, the FE is better in real world driving, and, frankly, with the Cayenne's weight reduction and improved handling, it will be more fun to drive. Not a replacement for my 911S perhaps, but better than a slushbox.