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#106 of 127 Outlander 2010 GT w/ Thule Snow racks
Jan 23, 2012 (8:01 pm)
With the multiple racks, as long as the sunroof visor is close...there is minimal to none wind gust sound.
To each is to its own... I'm glad I didnt get the hitch rack for my MTB, I'm using the tail gate a lot often than I would thought, to put on/change for MTB, surfing or snowboarding gears.
My 2010 Outlander GT came fully equipped w/ 7inch Navi touch screen, rockford fosgate sound system w/ 10 inch subwoofer, sunroof, leather & HIDS. The fun starts in my Outlander, then to my outdoor destination, then the drive coming back =)
#108 of 127 Re: 2013 Outlander [batman47]
Mar 09, 2012 (7:40 pm)
Looks like the split tailgate is gone.
Not too thrilled with the center stack though the black & tan interior is nice for coloring.
The general body style .. I'll reserve judgement until I see it in person & in a color I'd actually consider. I think the general shape is fine but not much of an attention-getter. The grill seems almost like a step back towards the 07-09 nose. Not necessarily bad but IMO less distinctive.
I'm more forgiving of the styling if the hybrid version delivers awesome economy.
BTW I rolled 22K miles yesterday in my '10 GT. The miles don't pile on very fast since I work from home most of the time.
#109 of 127 Re: 2013 Outlander [fushigi]
Mar 09, 2012 (9:52 pm)
it looks like a full SUV than a CUV. I love the added tech. We finally get the telescoping steering wheel. MMC President mentioned that. and then he goes to say theyve listened to customer feedback and this Outlander is 100% new, no reused parts.
I guess I'll hold on to my 07 for a while. But definitely the 3rd gen is looking great. FCM, Lane departure, dual zone AC, plugin hybrid, which could be used as generator for brownouts. I just hope they offer a diesel variant for the engine/generator. And it looks like this is the setup that the evo11 (if ever) will have from rumors I heard.
If you guys haven't been to my blog, I have a hi-def 1080p video of the 3rd gen Outlander and the addtional PHEV tech revealed at Geneva here : http://goo.gl/4IzGF
And also, just announced, this power box for the i-MiEV to be used to access the battery for AC power: http://goo.gl/Yo6Ee which could very be made available for the 3rd gen outlander too.
In added news, the MMC president also announced in his speech that hybrid/electric variants would be the norm for the upcoming new models. Styling wise, well, Mitsubishi made it clear that they want a clean design, which is what Japan is know for. Look at how serene a Japanese garden is, more like zen. This is a Japanese car to start with. So I guess were not gonna get that european bling to it. the 3rd row on this thing will be more usable for adults, and tailgate is powered.
personal verdict: I will definitely be buying another one in PHEV form sometime in the future. Might be a 4th gen by then. The phev just takes away the anxiety of ending up with a dead battery. I could really use something like this because my work is like 7 mi only. this would do well for a daily driver.
#110 of 127 Re: 2013 Outlander [rcpax]
Mar 10, 2012 (8:09 am)
Thanks for the videos. I don't think I actually learned much of anything new but it was nice to see a professional presentation (though the twin speakers in the PHEV vid were speaking pretty s-l-o-w-l-y).
Interesting that there was no mention of side-to-side torque vectoring. In AWD terms this may be a step backwards though to be honest for average consumers it won't matter. I do like the way the ICE is combined into it; there's no reason for the ICE to drive the rear wheels at all.
I like the inverter to go from battery back to AC. We have power outages here on occasion and it would be good to be able to power our fridge & freezer if the outage runs long.
As the US release date approaches I'll keep an eye open to see what the final published economy numbers and price will be. And other technical details like battery thermal conditioning. Those will probably help me decide if I want to buy sooner v. later. I love the PHEV idea but am not sure if my personal situation supports buying one as I just don't drive as many miles as I used to. Of course, that can change.
#111 of 127 Re: 2013 Outlander [fushigi]
Mar 10, 2012 (5:29 pm)
General information about the 2013 Outlander implies that this car will be sold first in Russia, then in Europe, and then at the end of 2012 in the USA and Australia
Europe will sell 2.0 litre petro (MIVEC) and 2.2 litre diesels, I think. I hope the 3.0 litre variant will be offered (although unlikely) in the USA plus its S-AWD specification. In my opinion the best thing about the Outlander GT is its excellent coordination of steering, suspension, and braking at high speed. It is very enjoyable to drive this car. My 2010 GT has too many spots and scratches inside which may shown poor quality material (plastic + paint). The 2013 Outlander will make serious improvements to this.
Mitsubishi could never solve the design problem that small flying stones from the front caused paint chipping of the rear, so it has opted to start from scratch in the design of this 2013 Outlander. Body apparently seem to have more meat than the previous one, and looks stronger than the previous model. I do not like the alloy wheel design. The goat paw end spokes may make the car wheel noisier.
The 2013 Outlander seems to adopt characteristics of European cars (e.g. BMW, Audi, and Mercedes). Roof cargo seems to follow tendencies of modern cars. This is to say, it is easy to implement a roof box if it is needed.
Most probably its xenon headlights will have automatic washers to comply with international safety measures. The third row of seats has easier mechanism to use and therefore eliminating the cumbersome procedure of previous models. The 2013 Outlander will also eliminate the collapsible (vertical) second row of seats. The second and third row of seats will lay flat all the way providing a lot of cargo area and also an area to sleep on adventure journeys.
Regardless of its front bumper design and rear body design I am particularly just a bit disappointed with this; really what matters, is that the car keeps its wonderful drivability and fun to drive in the new model. I personally I do not believe this will happen with an engine 2.0 litre.
I have doubts that this car will reward us with that swift acceleration that have made the previous Outlander GT so desirable.
I have seconds’ thoughts now to ask my Mitsubishi dealer to keep the $1000 initial deposit and just wait for 8-months and buy the 2013 model at the end of the year if I could know for certain that this 2013 Outlander will keep its 3.0 litre engine. What is your advice?
Comments said that the car will have a front battery and a rear battery for the plug-in hybrid. I do not think the car will responds like the Outlander GT with its active front limited differential, center mechanical differential and center limited differential. The front limited differential is what makes the GT S-AWD so great to drive on snow, mud, and sand.
Will Mitsubishi stop production of the GT all together? I hope Mitsubishi will offer both models to US customers.
#112 of 127 Re: 2013 Outlander [batman47]
Mar 11, 2012 (4:50 pm)
Engines: I can see no more than 3 offering: 2 + hybrid/PHEV. So they might still do the 4 cyl (inexpensive), 6 cyl (performance/GT), and PHEV (fuel economy). I suppose it depends on the price points.
Outlander, well any Mitsu model, are not going to sell in CR-V numbers so it can be a challenge for Mitsu to offer lots of engine choices. It helps if the other choices are simply imports of options available in other markets. But please no diesel. That'd be a sales disaster in the US; we simply won't buy them apart from a few exceptions (like VW).
Putting down a deposit: I would advise against it for several reasons, including not knowing how much you'll like the ride/drive experience, there never really being that much of an availability issue with Mitsus (again, they don't sell so fast that a model will be tough to find), and putting down a deposit far in advance to me tells the dealer you'll buy the car at any price so your ability to negotiate a good deal when the time comes will be hampered.
Battery: I think the front/rear battery thing is simple confusion. The videos show a centrally located large battery pack. That's the "rear" battery. There will be a front battery, but it'll be just a normal 12V battery like any other car with an ICE has. It'll be used to power accessories and possibly to start the ICE. As for responding like the GT, it'll be different. All torque off the line will be good but passing power won't be as strong. For me the AWD need is almost entirely for driving in winter conditions so if the AWD system isn't as advanced due to integration with the EV side of things, I can live with it.
My concern is if the PHEV costs substantially more than the V6 model after tax/government incentives. If that happens then few people will opt for it.
#113 of 127 Buying an Outlander
Mar 13, 2012 (2:52 pm)
Some members will wish to buy an Outlander using the following procedure and save $1500.
1- Have a meeting with the CEO of the Mitsubishi dealership
2- Say that you want to order an Outlander from Japan (because the car you wish to buy is not in the show room)
3- Most probably the CEO will say that you will need to leave a deposit (e.g. $1000)
4- Then you say you want to pay only the ‘invoice / dealer’ price and not the MSRP
Dealers even selling the car to you at ‘invoice’ price will still have a fair profit. The Dealer will be committed because it is almost a 100% certain sale.
5- Most probably the dealer will accept your offer.
6- Most probably you will get your car 3-months after
Advantages of this approach:
a- Ask the dealer to provide you with a complete PDI on the car when the car arrives to the US.
b- The accessories and options will be assembled most probably in Japan and the fitting of the items will be much better than those carried out at a local port (e.g. LA, US)
c- You will buy the accessories options that you indeed wanted. You will not need to pay for accessories and options that you do not want as those shown in the show room cars.
d- You can still reject the car if some serious problems arise during the testing (e.g. engine does not start, vibration, doors uneven, body indentation, paint spot, lights not working, etc, etc) which is very unlikely.
e- Mitsubishi has a very stringent quality control in Japan and it is very unlikely that the engine of your new car will not sound as the other GTs.
Disadvantage of this approach
f- If there is nothing wrong with the car, it will be hard to reject the car without losing $1000 and
g- You will lose $1000 if you decide to buy a RAV4 instead of a 2012 Outlander GT
For example the 2012 Outlander I have ordered the MSRP is $30,520 and the Invoice or price I will pay to the dealer before taxes is $29,042. This was the pre-contract arrangement. According to Edmunds the invoice nowadays of the 2012 Outlander GT falls at $28,494 (True Market Price).
Loyalty discount will make the total price to pay before taxes at $28,542.
#114 of 127 Re: Buying an Outlander [batman47]
by steve_ HOST
Mar 13, 2012 (7:39 pm)
Holdback on Mitsubishi's is 2% of the Base MSRP so the dealer can make money even selling for invoice. (link)
I'd try to make any deposit refundable myself. A lot can happen in the weeks between ordering a car and picking it up.