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#1 of 24 Federal Aid For Electric Cars - Good or Bad Idea?
Jun 23, 2010 (6:05 pm)
From today's (6/23, section B3) Wall Street Journal:
"The Obama administration on Tuesday backed a proposal to spend up to $6 billion more on subsidies for electric vehicles, amid renewed interest on Capitol Hill in measures to cut petroleum consumption in response to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill..."
I don't think this would be good policy, for a variety of reasons. What do you think?
#2 of 24 Re: Federal Aid For Electric Cars - Good or Bad Idea? [hpmctorque]
Jun 24, 2010 (8:43 am)
As far as I can tell, the current government will solve all our problems if it is allowed to grow, accumulate more control, and be powered by a near-infinite amount of borrowed $.
Here's the best reason not to even go any further with this topic - As long as there is a growing GLOBAL population with a growing demand for petroleum, whether for plastics, heating-fuel, or transportation, ANY and ALL sources of oil will be tapped over the years. IN THE END, all recoverable oil is used, unless there is some easily tapped alternative energy which doesn't exist today.
Tell me when we have nuclear fusion or black-hole-singularity energy generation, and I'll say the oil (or coal or natural-gas) will stay in the ground.
#3 of 24 why not?
Jul 15, 2010 (6:45 pm)
They subsudised Hybrids till they discovered they were losing tax money and are now booting them out of the car pool lanes in California. At least with EVs you have a true city car that is an alternative to ICE. Not ICE plus something. Bring on the Leaf. May they start hitting the streets in droves. Not likely to happen but it would be the first real attempt to keep a promise the government made 30 years ago when they were going to force the manufacturers to make a percentage of zero polluting cars.
And for power bring on more Nuclear plants. We may be skittish but the Chinese are planning on building a bunch and it may help thier oil consumption.
Jul 17, 2010 (9:47 pm)
I think BP may be interested in going that way after their small problem with one of their wells. Can't wait to see them try to shut down a nuke problem in 90 days.
Bite your lip, you...Boise-an? Boisean?
#6 of 24 Re: Federal Aid For Electric Cars - Good or Bad Idea? [kernick]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Aug 01, 2010 (10:56 am)
Let's get real here...even if the inner metro areas are buzzing with cute little electric cars in the next 10 years...when people go to plug them in, chances are pretty darn good that the electricity will come from a coal-fired or nuclear plant.
Essentially nothing has changed, only "shifted".
This is not a renewable energy source, but rather a conversion from one type of energy into another, both of which are used up and not replenished.
For instance, if you go to "green" cities like say self-touting Boulder, Colorado---yes, there are bike paths and innovative recycling and green space and solar panels on roofs---but 5 miles out of town there's a big coal-fired plant that keeps Boulder lit up, as well as the tons of SUVs that blanket the 95% of the city that isn't a bike path or pedestrian mall.
What we have there is "look good" and "feel good" but it's not a "sustainable future".
Aug 01, 2010 (4:45 pm)
but if enough of us run all-electric cars won't we cut a lot of emissions down and take away a whole bunch of that kind of environmental mess, in your view?
I know that coal-fired electrical plants still emit a whole bunch of belch, and we should go nuclear to produce electricity, solar doesn't seem to provide enough punch and wind won't make it without the eco-freaks busting in and stopping that energy production method before it even gets started.
But it seems to me that for me to do my local errands driving a Mitsubishi i-MiEV instead of my ICE Lancer GTS overall it should help the environmental picture out. No need for gasoline and way fewer parts inside to move the car. And no emissions coming out the tailpipe. I know it's a trade-off but doesn't it favor the all-electrical idea more than the ICE idea at the end of another hard-fought day?
#8 of 24 Re: Federal Aid For Electric Cars - Good or Bad Idea? [Mr_Shiftright]
Aug 02, 2010 (8:29 am)
When I visited friends in Boulder, I discovered it was a few square miles surrounded by reality.
#9 of 24 Re: shifty... [iluvmysephia1]
Aug 03, 2010 (6:33 am)
I know it's a trade-off but doesn't it favor the all-electrical idea more than the ICE idea at the end of another hard-fought day?
Everyone likes to think they have some control over the way the world is going. Is that realistic? Heck no, even President Obama really can't control much. It seems that the 6.5B people in the world each have their own agenda - which for the most part is to improve their own individual situation/wealth/power. So whether you or a few million "yous" conserve and are good citizens, there are many, many more people who will be glad to fill any vacuum you leave in using resources.
There is a certain amount of resources/energy in this world, and we continue to use them up. Whether you slow that usage up 1%, 5% or 20%, the resources still get used up. The only thing that changes slightly is that date. In the millenium that have gone and will come on Earth, the age of fossil-fuel usage will last a few hundred years - a mere blip in time. Your and my effort will be lost in time, just as the billions and billions of people who came before lived and died for causes or work that are now ruins or lost forever.
Enjoy your life, and forget about the desire to be Superman and save the world.
#10 of 24 Re: shifty... [kernick]
Aug 03, 2010 (7:02 am)
Whether or not "we have control" should not interfere with doing what WE BELIEVE is the right thing.
Millions of people do things every day which are unselfish and with the intent of helping someone besides themselves.
People LIKE that feeling. I know I do.