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Chevrolet Cruze, Sedan
#740 of 906 Re: Fiesta [backy]
Nov 23, 2011 (1:56 pm)
So if I go Chevy it will be the Cruze, preferably the Eco 6MT but given it's price I'd have to get a good deal on it.
I test drove the Cruze, the Sonic, and the Ford Focus. I ultimately ended up purchasing the Cruze ECO with a 6MT. The Focus was ok, but the car I drove actually broke down on the test drive.. > The main thing I didn't like about the Focus was the interior door latches to open the doors...my god they were the cheapest flimsiest pieces of plastic I had every experienced in a car... It kinda makes you wonder if they are cutting costs in such an obvious place, where else are they cutting costs. I really wanted to like the Focus, because I love hatchbacks and the discounts on the Focus hatches finally brought them into the price range I wanted to spend on my next car...
The Sonic was an LT with the 1.4l and 6MT. It was a fun little car that could really scoot. If I were single (or had only 2 kids), I could have really been tempted by it.
The Cruze was my ultimate choice. The interior was much more spacious than the Sonic and it felt more "grown up" (smoother ride, quiet, upscale...). It also passed the "back seat" test. I sat in the rear seat after adjusting my front seat and I was fine in the back (5' 9" 32" inseam). The cut outs in the seat backs really help there.
I was going to go with the LS, but I found a 2011 ECO 6MT (with fog lights, connectivity, and spare tire kit) on a dealers lot. Between some aggressive discounting, the GM $500 rebate, and my $2600 in GM bucks from my GM card, I got the ECO OTD for $17.6K ($18.9K sales price, +$1.8K TTL, -$3.1K in rebates).
I am more of a hatchback guy myself, and I actually got to see/sit in the Cruze Hatch at the Frankfurt auto show this year. If Chevrolet offered it in the States, it would be in my driveway...
...I am soooo glad I didn't buy a Prius....
#741 of 906 Re: Fiesta [garv214]
Nov 23, 2011 (2:37 pm)
Congrats on the new car, and great deal! I won't have GM card bucks, however, so I will have to hope for aggressive discounting and/or bigger rebates when it's time for me to buy, otherwise I'll probably focus elsewhere (no pun intended).
What kind of fuel economy are you getting?
Nov 23, 2011 (4:38 pm)
Yes, those interior door latches were garbage really...was a bit put off when I saw and felt them. And I thought just like you to...what else did they skimp on to say a few bucks. Gotta admit it, there's a snowball's chance in hell that she'll buy a Ford...and I've said from the start, we're just not Ford people, plain & simple.
#743 of 906 Cruze Maxx
Nov 24, 2011 (5:41 am)
Nice eco-purchase, backster !
I'd have grabbed a hatchback CRUZE MAXX if it were available. Already could have used hatchback instead of sedan Cruze: - I want to buy a 200 lb 2nd/used 34" CRT HDTV that won't load/fit/unload properly in the sedan.
#744 of 906 TCO comparing Cruze to Fiesta/Focus
Nov 24, 2011 (8:15 am)
It's important to check things like Insurance & Ad-Valorem taxes prior to purchase, DUH, but many do not check TCO [Total Cost of Ownership] on general maintenance items.
Check the dealer for the "Flat Rate" labor cost and Parts cost for these items.
1. The Cruze 1.4 has a Turbo Charger, on Gasoline engines these tend to wear out quickly compared to Diesel, however it has a timing Chain instead of a belt.
2. The Cruze 1.8L does have a timing belt, and it WILL wreck the engine upon breaking !
See Gates website-> http://www.gates.com/part_locator/index.cfm?location_id=3598
3. The Ford Fiesta/Focus "Automatic" transmission is NOT a real auto but a electronically controlled "Dual-Clutch" 6-Speed manual tranny. *How much to replace this "dual-clutch" setup ?
[Many complain of rough shifts which is probably good for clutch life BTW]
[Slow shifting Automatics wear clutch discs quickly]
Gates does NOT list a timing belt for either the Fiesta or Focus yr 2012
This info is not set in concrete, check your parts dept/service dept for serious inquiries.
Case in point, ever check the cost of a NEW! replacement LiOn or NiMH Battery Pack for the Civic or Prius Hybrid ?
2006 Prius $3995, aftermarket price
Other prices are "Dealer Only" or pop up a "Virus Warning" when I click them..
Bottom Line: if the TCO exceeds the fuel savings of a particular model, perhaps a "Non-Eco" model will save money in the long run.
Sorry for all the drivel, hope this helps
#745 of 906 Re: Fiesta [backy]
Nov 24, 2011 (11:28 am)
I have only tanked up twice so far. The first was about 75% highway and I averaged 37 mpg. My second tank was 95% city and was 29.9 mpg. Admittedly, I do drive easy (60 mph on the highway), but I am very pleased with my results so far. On the drive home from the dealership, I reset the computer just before I got on the freeway, and I had a "computer" average of 45.5 mpg by the time I got home 25 miles later.
I had "test" driven a Prius from Hertz's rent to buy program. I averaged ~47 mpg in my daily commute which is about 10-15 mpg better than I will get with the Eco, but I love driving the Cruze...the Prius...emmmmm...not so much...
#746 of 906 Re: TCO comparing Cruze to Fiesta/Focus [drvette]
Nov 24, 2011 (11:38 am)
All great and valid points to consider.
I have owned a number of cars with Interference engines (mostly hondas). As long as you know going in that there is a belt and that it needs to be checked and replaced, then it shouldn't be a problem. Now if you are the type of owner that does not keep up on the maintenance of your car...well...getting a car with an interference engine may be an expensive decision.
In my case, the decision to go with the Cruze ECO really was driven by financial payback as much as it was driven by a desire to get a car that delivers great fuel economy and was enjoyable to drive. My wife has a Lexus RX330 AWD, which we love but can be a bit discouraging when it comes time to tank up
I hope you enjoy a great Thanksgiving!
#747 of 906 Re: TCO comparing Cruze to Fiesta/Focus [drvette]
Nov 24, 2011 (5:19 pm)
"The Cruze 1.4 has a Turbo Charger, on Gasoline engines these tend to wear out quickly compared to Diesel, however it has a timing Chain instead of a belt."
While I would have agreed with that statement back in the era of conventional oil; when synthetic oil is used there is no evidence to suggest that a turbocharger will have any negative inpact on the life of a gasoline engine.
#748 of 906 Re: TCO comparing Cruze to Fiesta/Focus [shipo]
Nov 28, 2011 (3:28 pm)
Agree w/Shipo on the quality of oil used..
Also my poor grammar indicated Engine Life problem, Sorry I should have stated "Turbocharger Life"
As you said Engine Life is NOT the issue here.
Also to point out again, the 1.4L Turbo engine has a Timing Chain, per Gates which will prolong maintenance intervals.
The most common cause of Turbo failure is shutting the engine down after a run where the Turbocharger is at "High Temperature"
The engine should be allowed to idle for several minutes to allow the oil to cool the turbo. Even water cooled turbo's need time to shake off the extreme temperatures to minimize coking.
Failure to utilize some method of cool-down results in "oil coking".
The oil burns and solidifies to the Turbo shaft causing abrasion to the oil seals.
Then turbo lubrication/cooling oil pumps into the exhaust, this is obvious only on a cold engine, upon fully warmed up engines, this will Not be visible as the Catalytic Converter is "Flamed On"
Eventually the Converter will stop up, hopefully before the engine seizes.
Some oil additives claim the ability to ward off Oil Coking in this situation.
Pro-Blend in South Carolina is my personal favorite additive mfg.
I think Z-Max has this claim also.
Also just FYI, "Mobil 1" Oil is a synthetic oil ONLY in the US.
European Specs disallow it from claiming to be a true synthetic.
Waaay back when it first came out, it was called a "Pseudo-Synthetic"
As you stated, real synthetic oil will help coking problems on turbo's however MOST owners don't even change oil on suggested schedules.
#749 of 906 Re: press request [gpara]
Nov 28, 2011 (3:38 pm)
15 psi boost 1850 rpm !!
Dat seems like a lot, that is good to hear though.