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Chevrolet Cruze, Sedan
Oct 15, 2010 (11:09 am)
Since the CRUZE is a new model, no historical data, I'm concerned about the resale value of the vehicle 4-5 years down the road. I know GM is building better vehicles these days than they did 10 years ago but resale has always been a problem for them, especially the Malibu, Impala, Cobalt and all their 4 door sedans.
I am more a fan of leasing than buying but it seems like Vehicle Manufacturers spend so much money advesting/marketing their NEW offerings, they don't offer any attractive lease offers until sales start to decline. Does anyone know what lease offers GM has planned for the CRUZE in the near future (next 6 months)?
#178 of 896 Re: Resale [bowhunter75]
Oct 15, 2010 (11:40 am)
I can't get my mind around why the excuse is often "resale value." Or there's no historical data?
The ugly current civic has no data. The next civic has no data.
The toyotas had lots of data and look what toyota got caught doing with nonreporting of events to NHTSA for what was it 7 years? So how's the confidence in toyota now? I wouldn't buy a used one.
Somehow people have gotten resale in their heads as an important characteristic of a car. It's a car; not an investment. If you only buy the car everyone wants used, you've got an Enron.
As I check a local Chevrolet dealer that usually has good used cars, I see year old Cobalts asking more than they asked for year old Cobalts a year back. It's my feeliing that my Cobalt is only depreciating slowly based on their pricing.
But when I buy a car, I buy it to drive and enjoy. I don't buy it to sell it two years later.
No one knows what's coming in the future. I'd go test drive and talk to a salesman.
#179 of 896 Re: Resale [imidazol97]
Oct 15, 2010 (11:50 am)
if you are planning to trade in 2-3 years anyway, might as well just lease instead. If you are keeping long term, resale becomes less of an issue.
I am with you though. I buy a car that fits my needs, and that I like and enjoy driving. Resale, and to some extent expected reliability, is not at the top of the list for deciding what to get.
I would buy a VW over a Toyota most likely. And I would rather poke out my eyes with a sharp stick than drive a Corolla every day for the next 5+ years.
Oct 15, 2010 (11:57 am)
Good grief, Scott, there's nothing worse than opinions espoused as solid facts.
I read less than two weeks ago, that the Equinox was the vehicle among ALL vehicles now being sold, that is in dealer inventory the least amount of time. Try and get a "deal" on one. Can't be done!
You also stated, flatly and matter-of-factly, a few days back that "...most (parts content) of the Sonata is from this country."
Forty-one percent is "most"?!
Please provide links to items you show as facts.
Incidentally, the Camaro is still outselling the Mustang, now. Look online anyplace. It won't take long.
#181 of 896 brief moments
Oct 15, 2010 (12:19 pm)
is that common among cars? There are 2 or 3 completely new models per year from the collective 7 or 8 midsize car makers. No, it couldn't be common. Most new releases are misses and the old reliable still stands atop the heap? Not likely. To label GM as having a brief moment is to say they did great. Behind the scenes they are already working on the next great release. Is Cruze already judged to not have a shot at the top spot in it's class? My BIL paid more for a Corolla than I paid for a Malibu 2 yrs later. Hard to believe price is already an issue with the Cruze. Camaros are popular here in the Midwest in spite of their snowy weather handling. I don't see any truthfulness in scottl's post after line 1. It is all merely opinion.
35 mpg in a Sonata and 35 mpg hwy in the Cruze? The Sonata works wonders in mpgs and the S. Korean economy. What's the unemployment rate in your state?
Oct 15, 2010 (12:58 pm)
did I forget any?
hybrid and non hybrid versions
new models every 3-5 years for each one
to shine briefly is to do great.
35 mpg in Sonata? not representative of anything real.
At 3000 miles, my new 4 cyl is finally matching my 8 yr old supercharged V6 in commute mileage at about 27.5 mpg. This equal mileage actual result is for a rated at 34 hwy 4 cyl compared to rated at 27 V6. There is not much mpg gain in shrinking the car or the engine. A lot of space and comfort is given up for marginal gains in efficiency in day to day driving. Only at the rare extremes does the difference grow. Like long trips, where even the SC3.8 still topped 30 and the Malibu might hit 32 or 33, but with less space, cargo, and weight.
Cruze is 2 more mpg from 1.4Turbo than my 2.5 L4 Malibu. Cruze is rated as a midsize with 3102 lbs weight as a 1LT with 6A. Saves 350 lbs over Malibu. I suspect you only need to go back a gen or 2 to get an Accord under 3100 lbs with a 4. The Cruze is $5k less MSRP than Malibu for similar equipped versions. Seems reasonable. I don't recall the Malibu to Cobalt difference as more than that.
89% of Cobalt buyers would not repeat. Will the Cruze improve on that? By a landslide would be my Opinion.
Sonata is 3199 lbs with 1000cc bigger engine. Only 97 lbs heavier than the Cruze and it gets lower mileage? Maybe wonders do cease?
#183 of 896 Re: MSRP [scottl]
Oct 15, 2010 (12:49 pm)
You can't argue with a GM basher. Don't try. Honda and Toyota had their fall from grace and we don't need to reiterate that here. Hyundai/Kia are coming on strong for sure but their limited dealer network hurts badly. Most of the country doesn't have Kia or Hyundai within 30 miles of them.
The Equinox/Terrain problem is availability. GM is selling every one they can build right now. The Cruze is step in the right direction that should sell 20,000/units a month. Time will tell. The LaCrosse is selling very well also. GM is doing some good things and the Cruze should help the cause.
P.S. The Cruze is far from "tiny". It's one of the largest vehicles in it's class.
Oct 15, 2010 (12:53 pm)
Wow - seems to be a lot of negative cruze talk.
I currently drive a Honda Accord and am very interested in the Cruze, especially since it now looks like all trims will have an available manual transmission (a must have for me).
My Accord is rated 31 mpg highway and my lifetime average is 34.7 mpg with dozens of tanks over 40 mpg. This is in no small part to the MT and Chevy is doing well to offer it on all trims. It costs them nothing to do so if it is on one trim already. I expect I would average over 40 mpg with a Cruze.
Here are some of the things I like in no particular order.
Modern electronics. Bluetooth, usb etc. available and at a reasonable price on all models. Honda wants to put you in a top of the line model for this.
Size - considerably larger than a Corolla or Civic. About the same size as a gen 6 Accord (1999-2002). I think the current Accord is too large and the civic is too small. The Cruze is just right.
MPG. The Eco gets 40 mpg highway - way better than a Sonata or whatever else.
I want a nice well appointed car with room for 4, excellent mpg and a stick shift. Cruze fits the bill. Not much else (if anything) does.
I have never bought an American car in 30 years of ownership, but I may break that trend.
Of course if they really wanted to seal the deal they would make it a station wagon. Too bad this country is so anti efficiency and only likes wagons if they are tall and have 4wd and an acronym like SUV.
#185 of 896 Re: 7 or 8? [dave8697]
Oct 15, 2010 (2:16 pm)
"35 mpg in Sonata? not representative of anything real. "
You are correct if you are talking about the MT6 version of the 2011 Sonata, since owners are reporting 37+ mpg highway with the MT. Real, measured MPG.
Really, go read any of the reviews or forums about the Sonata. The car easily gets 35mpg on the highway, due to the efficiency of the 2.4L DI engine, the 6-speed trans and the .27 drag coefficient.
#186 of 896 Re: MSRP [uplanderguy]
Oct 15, 2010 (2:39 pm)
Camaro is barely outselling the 2010 Mustang, but that is to be expected, since everyone knew the 2011 Mustang was coming out with the new engines. Camaro sales have dropped every single month since the 2011 Mustang became available, and the Mustang is on the upswing. Mustang for 2011 will top Camaro sales easily.
The Sonata will be 51% NA content once their transmission line comes on before the end of the year.