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#169 of 906 Re: MSRP [scottl]
Oct 14, 2010 (12:16 pm)
You may be right about 2011 Sonata. The last one I drove was a 2009 and while it was okay, the NVH was like an Excel.
I agree few people will cross shop a big car like the Sonata (EPA Large Car) with a Cruze. The Elantra is the Cruze's competition. Hyundai's dealer network bothers me too. I'm 35 miles from a Hyundai/Kia dealer and 2 miles from a Chevy dealer and while styling is subjective, I appreciate the Cruze's understated elegance. The Hyundai Sonata (and upcoming Elantra) look like somebody melted the grille.
#170 of 906 Re: sandy [stickguy]
Oct 14, 2010 (6:21 pm)
Chevrolet announced today that a manual transmission will be made available on all Cruze models with the 1.4T engine. This includes the LT and LTZ models.
Stir your own lovers rejoice!
GM Inside News
#171 of 906 Re: MSRP [scottl]
Oct 14, 2010 (6:24 pm)
I"m confused. Why are you posting on the Cruze thread? All you do is tell everybody what a fantastic car you think the Sonata is and dis GM. I know you are looking to buy a Sonata but are you going to all the GM car threads and doing the same thing? Just curious because it makes no sense at all.
I know a lot of people that buy Hyundais exhibit a slight inferiority complex and have to constantly bombard everyone with how great Hyundais are. I hope you're not one of them. Don't get me wrong, I think the Sonata is a fine car but why blow your horn on this thread so much. Do you consider yourself some sort of mesiah and feel you have to convert the masses to Hyundai and away from GM?
#172 of 906 Re: MSRP [scottl]
Oct 15, 2010 (5:36 am)
The Sonata was sold in Korea before the US so I doubt it was designed in California- I have never heard that before.
I am well versed in the success of the Sonata and its a nice car but the idea that its head and shoulders above the Cruze is nonsense. If anything it sounds like the Cruze is actually as refined, if not more refined. I've been in both cars and the Cruze LTZs interior is actually nicer than the Sonata's interior. The Sonata's interior LOOKS nice, but in person its about on par with the Camry. The design details and the feel of the switchgear are not premium at all. It's perfectly suitable for the class however.
Your statements about GM's vehicles are out of line with reality and its apparent you wouldnt ever consider the Cruze so I don't understand why you are commenting here. The Cruze is the latest in a long list of very competitive vehicles from GM. You consider the Enclave, Malibu, CTS, Camaro, Equinox, etc. several steps behind the competition?
#173 of 906 Re: MSRP [m6user]
Oct 15, 2010 (5:38 am)
I've noticed that people who like the Sonata want EVERYONE to declare it the best in class. It's like they can't accept that there are numerous compelling choices in this price class. THe fact that the Sonata is a nice car for the money doesn't diminish the Cruze in any way. I for one, am not a huge fan of the Sonata's styling. Its more interesting than Camry and Accord for sure but its not really my cup of tea. When I sat in the car I found rear seat room (leg and head) to be merely adequate even though its supposedly an EPA large car.
Oct 15, 2010 (6:46 am)
Anyone who wishes to continue comparing the Sonata with the Cruze may do so by starting a new discussion on that topic. It's really not helpful here, and it clutters up this discussion for members seeking information on the Cruze only.
#175 of 906 Re: MSRP [overbrook]
Oct 15, 2010 (7:17 am)
Actually the 2011 Sonata was designed at the Hyundai design studio in California. It was just first produced and sold in S. Korea.
#176 of 906 Re: MSRP [overbrook]
Oct 15, 2010 (7:49 am)
The Sonata was designed at Hyundai's California design studios. That's the last I'll say about the Hyundai.
Yes, I consider your list of GM vehicles to be several steps behind the competition, and the market agrees.
Enclave - Are you kidding me? A Traverse with 150 lb of chrome can't hold a candle to the Lexus or Acura or Land Rover's it attempts to compete with. Look at the specs, look at the SALES. I live in Colorado, which is luxury SUV heaven, and I've only seen two Enclaves, ever.
Malibu - There was a brief moment when the Malibu had a shot. Then the new Accord, new Altima, new Sonata came out. Again, look at the specs and look at the SALES. The market has voted. Fourth in sales in its class, despite having more dealers than any of the others.
CTS - I like the CTS. This is the only GM car besides the Corvette that actually ranks in the top three in its segment. But again, sales are lacking, because the competition is so strong. You can't look at the CTS on its own, you have to look at the BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi, Lexus, Acura and Infiniti competition. The CTS-V is in a class of its own, but when the car is $65K, there is A LOT of competition. I'd take a CTS-V wagon in a heartbeat for $35K, but $65K? The CTS is priced the same as similarly spec'd competition, but one of the big strikes against any Cadillac is resale, and you're flushing $20K the moment you drive off the lot.
Camaro - Yawn. Like the Malibu, there was a brief moment where the Camaro had a shot. Then Ford upped the ante. Every head to head comparison chooses the 2011 Mustang over the Camaro, whether the comparison is V8 or V6, power or handling. And in styling, both the Mustang and Challenger kill it. The Camaro exterior is a terribly confused mishmash and the interior is a faux-retro abomination. Why GM decided to emulate the interior of the late-60's Camaro, one of the WORST interiors ever, is beyond me, and apparently beyond buyers, since after the initial wow wore off, sales have cratered.
Equinox - The Kia Sorento just topped the Equinox in sales. Kia. How many Kia dealers are there? Are you kidding me? And CR-V long ago left the Equinox in the dust. So again, they tried, but despite the huge dealer network, the Equinox content has fallen short except in the midwest where driving consists of getting on the highway and turning on the cruise control, which by all reports works fine in the Equinox.
The Cruze is destined to the same fate as the cars above. It is a good effort FOR GENERAL MOTORS. Unfortunately, it is way overpriced. The people looking for cheap transportation can get a Scion or Yaris or Versa or a Fit for less. Once you get to Cruze dollars, the number of options expands, and you don't have to get a tiny car.
If you can get a car rated as full-sized that gets 35mpg highway, why bother with a Cruze that gets the EXACT same mileage ratings for the same price? And the vaunted 1.4L turbo gets a whole 1 mpg better, while pushing the MSRP into mid-sized category.
Again, GM continually improves, but the competition improves at an even faster rate. GM really needs to figure out how to look at the competition's NEXT vehicle, and get their vehicle in that segment out at the same time, but BETTER. Right now, they seem to target the competition's current vehicle and aim for that, then by the time they deliver the competition has move up a notch or two.
Oct 15, 2010 (10:09 am)
Since the CRUZE is a new model, no historical data, I'm concerned about the resale value of the vehicle 4-5 years down the road. I know GM is building better vehicles these days than they did 10 years ago but resale has always been a problem for them, especially the Malibu, Impala, Cobalt and all their 4 door sedans.
I am more a fan of leasing than buying but it seems like Vehicle Manufacturers spend so much money advesting/marketing their NEW offerings, they don't offer any attractive lease offers until sales start to decline. Does anyone know what lease offers GM has planned for the CRUZE in the near future (next 6 months)?
#178 of 906 Re: Resale [bowhunter75]
Oct 15, 2010 (10:40 am)
I can't get my mind around why the excuse is often "resale value." Or there's no historical data?
The ugly current civic has no data. The next civic has no data.
The toyotas had lots of data and look what toyota got caught doing with nonreporting of events to NHTSA for what was it 7 years? So how's the confidence in toyota now? I wouldn't buy a used one.
Somehow people have gotten resale in their heads as an important characteristic of a car. It's a car; not an investment. If you only buy the car everyone wants used, you've got an Enron.
As I check a local Chevrolet dealer that usually has good used cars, I see year old Cobalts asking more than they asked for year old Cobalts a year back. It's my feeliing that my Cobalt is only depreciating slowly based on their pricing.
But when I buy a car, I buy it to drive and enjoy. I don't buy it to sell it two years later.
No one knows what's coming in the future. I'd go test drive and talk to a salesman.