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#131 of 906 Re: Cruze vs. 2011 Sonata [scottl]
Oct 13, 2010 (12:12 pm)
I'm not thrilled with the Cruze's North American content, but it is made by an American company. Chevy's primary headquarters and chief staff aren't in South Korea like Hyundai's. I'm told the North American content will increase when Chevy starts building the 1.4L Turbo engine in Michigan.
Personally, I like the Cruze because I like my local Chevy dealer's Service Dept. personnel and have for some time; the styling is conservative (to me, the latest Sonata looks 'boy racer', like a kid in 9th grade sketched it), and it's built 40 miles from me so I am positively affecting people in my area by buying it. It's too early to tell about the Cruze, but posts on Edmunds and elsewhere have shown some early quality glitches with the Sonata, too.
Oct 13, 2010 (12:21 pm)
Cruze 1LT with a spare tire and the "Connectivity plus Cruise" package: $19,520
Sonata GLS Automatic: $20,915
Since I want a manual the Sonata is $19,915. I can't even get a Cruze with a MT unless I get a stripper. Thanks, GM. I wonder if they ever bothered to add up all the sales they lose by attempting to force people to take automatics. In CO where I live, Subarus, VW's, BMWs, Audis, Hondas and yes, Hyundais with manual transmissions abound. There are very few GM cars at all, and the lack of MT availability is one reason. That and the fact that GM killed almost all of their dealers here, and the ones left are total morons. If it wasn't for pickups/SUVs, their market share for new vehicles here would be somewhere around that of Kia. I'm not kidding. They just don't get it.
Oct 13, 2010 (12:55 pm)
the only NA engine is the 1.8l in the LS model, so you can pass on many of the better features (the luxo goodies like a moonroof, leather, power seats, etc.).
#134 of 906 did a test sit
Oct 13, 2010 (1:03 pm)
stopped at a Chevy dealer today while out running errands. THey had 2 out front (a 2LT and an LTZ). Also had an LS that they sold.
overall, a very nice package. Looks good, huge trunk, and plenty roomy. I am 6' and had good leg, toe and head room in the abck seat.
Seemed pretty upscale in design and features. Seemed to be comfortable (driver's seat), but until I get it all adjusted and actually drive the car, hard to tell. But, the seat cushion seemed to be long enough (close to my Accord) for thigh support.
one bizarre feature (a Ford trick) was a 1/2 power seat. the bottom was power, but the recline was manual, and the lever was in an awkward position. Probably not a big deal, since I rarely change that setting anyway, but still nice to have.
a big plus was the gas tank size (15.6gal). Combined with the MPG ratings, should have a nice long cruising range. Really bugs me on some smaller cars where they have like a 12 gal tank, and aren't getting the kind of MPG to make it useful.
sticker on the 2LT I sat in was 22.8K, the LTZ was 24K. Not cheap, and gonna face a ton of competition. And forget the sonota, the elantra is about to come out as a redesign. Same size, and probably cheaper.
#135 of 906 Re: did a test sit [stickguy]
Oct 13, 2010 (2:28 pm)
And forget the sonota, the elantra is about to come out as a redesign. Same size, and probably cheaper.
You are right. I think the new Elantra that looks similar, but even better IMO, to the '11 Sonata is going to be huge competition for the Cruze. With the new 6 speed tranny it will be interesting to see what kind of numbers the Elantra will bring mpg wise. I think they are shooting for 40hwy.
Then next spring the new Focus arrives. Civic and Corolla are starting to seem pretty long in the tooth and the clock is ticking for them unless they really do a turnaround. Chevy, Ford and Hyundai are really going to make inroads with these new compacts!
#136 of 906 Re: MSRP [scottl]
Oct 13, 2010 (2:41 pm)
I work at a small Chevy dealer in a small town in Illinois. We just got our first Cruze today. That sucker is gorgeous!!! You can't get many GM vehicles without the automatic transmission. We rarely stock one. As I see it, here's the reason.... very few people today even know how to drive a manual transmission vehicle. We order cars that anyone can drive. Why should we limit our potential buyers?? Of course, our terrain is much different than yours in Colorado. We are flatland. This car is not intended to compete against the Sonata. If you want one....go buy one!
#137 of 906 Re: MSRP [tbone_rare]
Oct 13, 2010 (3:12 pm)
You are so correct!
I sat in a new Cruze in a car show and it was in my opinion the best compact car I had ever seen. The early reports of how it drives are very impressive. It is quiet, refined, has an extremely high fit and finish and an extremely low N/V/H quotient. As you point out, it was not designed to compete with the Sonata which, although admirable in many ways, is far less refined and quiet on the road and with a harsher and less compliant ride than the Cruze.
As for automatic transmissions, it always amuses me when their devotees get up on their high horses about how they wouldn't touch a car without one. I drove sticks for sixteen years straight and in fact learned to drive on one. That was in the country with open roads and no stop lights. In heavy city traffic, where I live now, a stick is a royal pain in the rear with constant shifting, poorer gas mileage and tedium.
The new multi-gear auto transmissions are getting better every year (my remarks do not apply to the odious CVT which has been resurrected for the marginally higher fuel economy it is supposed to impart at the cost of driving fun and higher noise levels - in my opinion not worth it for the minuscule and questionable increase in fuel economy) and as the boomer generation matures and constitutes an ever higher percentage of the automotive buying public, the demand for manuals will decrease even beyond the very low levels it is at now. With the exception of a few muscle and specialty cars, there will be not nearly enough of a demand for them to make carrying them prudent or making them a wise economic move by most any car manufacturer.
There is one more reason the Cruze is a great car. The profits from the sale of every one remain in America and do not go to South Korea or any other foreign country. People who buy cars from import manufacturers love to brag that these bring "jobs" to America because they are made there. This is a spurious argument on the whole. The overall economic impact of these arrangements is negative, however, because the amount of money lost in shifting profits overseas greatly exceeds the contribution to the American economy of having a few manufacturing plants domestically. If profits were maximized to Hyundai and others by making their cars in their own countries, they would do just that. As they are not, the cars are made in America.
At a time when profits and profitability of every commercial concern from auto manufacturers to pretzel makers is critical to placing the economy of the United States back on a strong footing, it would behoove automobile consumers to consider the effect their purchase has on their own country. If jobs continue to be lost in America the ability of more and more folks to afford a car from anywhere will be reduced. Charity does indeed begin at home.
I wish you every success in your representation and sale of the new Cruze. I know it will do very well for you and for GM and, quite frankly, for America.
#138 of 906 Re: MSRP [priggly]
Oct 13, 2010 (3:34 pm)
"People who buy cars from import manufacturers love to brag that these bring "jobs" to America because they are made there. This is a spurious argument on the whole. The overall economic impact of these arrangements is negative, however, because the amount of money lost in shifting profits overseas greatly exceeds the contribution to the American economy of having a few manufacturing plants domestically."
Please site verification of the above statement, and not just someone's opinions .
In addition, is the Honda Accord, Toyota Tundra, Camry, American or imports? They are manufactured here, as is many Hyundai products, as is the Sonata.
I could care less where a car is manufactured. I want what is best for me. GM made very stupid decisions in the past. Is it my duty to prop up a company because they have made bad decisions? That is a a bad argument.
#139 of 906 Re: MSRP [priggly]
Oct 13, 2010 (3:29 pm)
The majority of the Cruze comes from somewhere else. The majority of the Sonata comes from the US. The profit from the sale of GM products currently goes to paying off loans made by taxpayers to GM. Where did the money for the loans come from? From the sale of treasury bonds to China and Saudi Arabia. We are essentially paying off the Chinese and Saudis for saving GM.
I don't think you want to be bringing up the US content argument when the car you are arguing for is less than 50% US-made, and the car you are arguing against is made in Alabama. Is a Chrysler a US vehicle? How about a Chrysler made in Mexico? My Chevy truck made in Canada? An Aveo made in Korea?
Oct 13, 2010 (4:12 pm)
As in everything, there are 'degrees' of truth/reality. I wish the Cruze had more domestic content (although am told it will when the Michigan engine plant starts building the 1.4L turbo). However, I think it cannot be denied that, like it or not, GM (heck, the "Big Three") employs far more Americans, and also at suppliers, than any 'transplant' company.
Buy what you like--that's your business--but why not compare the "hometown job" to the one made by a company that started, and continues to be headquartered, in South Korea? Not to mention, there have been some teething issues with the Sonata...look at the forums here.
I'm itching to drive a Cruze. I stopped at a dealer about 15 miles from here and he had three LT's...the 1LT I thought was an LS--it had the plastic wheel covers...but the other 1LT had aluminum wheels as did the 2LT. I'm kind of liking the 1LT with aluminum wheels, for equipment/price ratio. I also prefer cloth seating which the 1LT has but the 2LT doesn't.