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#111 of 305 thanks to all
Feb 07, 2011 (3:06 pm)
first i want to thank all for posting with your experiences and advice,
i am at the point of total confusion, not knowing which new car to trade for or to just keep the crappy camry and put a sign in the back window PLEASE EXCUSE MY DRIVING BUT AFTER ALL IT IS A NEWER CAMRY ! or TOYOTA SUCKS etc etc
also, the posts that state we need to learn how to drive the newer technology
1. I bought a Toyota Camry based on my experience with the 2005, I absolutely LOVED that car and never had a minutes problem with it ( if not for my accident I would still be driving it )
2. I have never had to learn to drive a car - I have been driving for 40 years
3. If new technology means a jerky tranny and a car that never drives the same twice then I am all for OLD TECHNOLOGY - you know put key in ignition, turn key, push pedal and go !
no jerking, no whining noises from under the hood, smooth acceleration etc etc
I am just beside myself at this point as to what to do ! It is a chore to even drive to and from work ! I am considering taking the car to an independent transmission specialist to have an evaluation done on it.
Big SIGH !!!!!
#112 of 305 Re: COMPLAINTS [puru]
Feb 07, 2011 (3:10 pm)
please post again and let us know how you make out
maybe just maybe one day "they" will admit they have an issue and do something to straighten it out
big pipe dream I know !
#113 of 305 Re: Just want to say "THANK YOU" [kbetts1]
Feb 07, 2011 (5:37 pm)
You are wrong on two points.
The automotive manufacturers waited far too long before even trying to educate the public on ABS, its use and purpose. In the meantime every IDIOT salesman and in the system, along with every KNOW-IT-ALL, was telling customers that ABS purpose was to help them stop quicker, and/or in a shorter distance.
Have you EVER seen, even today, outside the newer owners manuals, any effort by the manufacturers to educate customers on how to use and the REAL purpose of ABS...?
ABS takes LONGER to stop in most cases.
The initialization procedure is only appropriate for use if/when the battery has been disconnected and the previously "learned" parameters are lost.
#114 of 305 Re: Just want to say "THANK YOU" [wwest]
Feb 07, 2011 (7:30 pm)
The ABS was just an example of technology/education breakdown.
The ABS is used to prevent wheel lock up which will allow the driver to continue to steer to avoid objects while braking, not for shorter stops. On some low friction surfaces (ice, sand), ABS will stop shorter than all but the most skilled driver without ABS even when staying in a straight line.
I'm a systems specialist. Part of my job dealing with aerospace systems was to educate users on system parameters and keep operator input inside those parameters. Operator induced oscillation (Pilot induced oscillation in aircraft) is a major source of system failure.
This transmission issue is a perfect example of poor education. I've been reading about it ever since the problem first appeared in 2007 with the new Camry. Now with the six speed it's even more pronounced.
If the transmission is shifting as poorly as these guys say, it needs to be initialized again. I'd also check the fluid level just to make sure it's not an issue. Last step would be to put it on the diagnostic computer and see if any codes were set. If that was all good then I know the problem was not the car, it was me.
On another forum a guy said his car ran great after he got it back from the mechanic who did an extended test drive (70 miles) Then as he drove it, it started messing up again. Can there be any question that the driver is the problem a significant amount of the time?
#115 of 305 Re: Just want to say "THANK YOU" [kbetts1]
Feb 07, 2011 (9:25 pm)
"....If the transmission is shifting as poorly..."
What is actually happening is that the transmission is shifting so often it is discomforting to most drivers, including this one. The most modern transmissions are shifting so often because they are programmed to always be in the most optimal gear ratios for current driving conditions. With simple 3 or 4 speed transmission the range of each gear was so wide 4th was satisfactory for a wide range of road conditions.
But now with these new 6(10) speed transmissions the most optimal gear ratio is changing constantly due to even the slightest change in driving/road conditions.
Where these CVT's then the shifting would not be noticeable but with standard gear sets it leaves the driver with a bit of unease.
"...it started messing up again..."
It is highly likely the mechanic cleared the learned memory and 70 miles would NOT be enough for a complete parametric "relearn". As I said before it might take 200-2000 miles for a complete relearn.
So the owner got the car back before it had completed all of the re-initialization process.
#116 of 305 To be fair...
Feb 07, 2011 (9:30 pm)
When I first purchased the '01 F/awd the coastdown fuel "lurching" was quite discomforting, maybe more like disconcerting. But within a few months I was so adapted to it I had to focus my mind on the "feel" of I did not take notice.
I assume the same thing might happen with all the "shiftiness" of these new 6(10) speed transmissions. I've only driven one, rental, for a week or so. So maybe. Meantime when I start looking to purchase gain I'll give special priority to a CVT....or PSD.
#117 of 305 Camry a GREAT VEHICLE
Feb 08, 2011 (8:32 am)
I am presently in the market for a new 2012 vehicle! ----- At the present time, I own a 2010 Chevrolet LTZ 4 cylinder Malibu, and a 2007 Toyota XLE V6 Camry. -------- (Both vehicles were purchased new, and are serviced by the selling dealer every 2,500 miles, and both vehicles have a 6 speed automatic transmission.) ----- If you review the history of the 2007 Camry you will find owners who have had all kinds of problems with this vehicle. ---- I presently have 63,000 + miles on this vehicle, and I have NEVER experience any of the problems that have been presented on these boards, so as such, I will be looking at a 2012 Camry, or a 2012 Avalon. ---------- (There is a possibility that if I run across a one year old Camry or Avalon, at a dealer, with full warranties I will go in that direction.)
I service & drive my vehicles in a unique fashion!
1.) I always warm up the engine during the winter months before starting out on my trip. ---- (My choice! ----- I know it is not recommended, ----- but I make my own decisions in my life! ---- On cold mornings I need to get the frost off the windows. ---)
2.) For the first few blocks I operate the 6 speed trans in the manual mode. ----- I set the selector to #3. --- I do not allow the trans to shift into 4th gear. --- I continue to operate the vehicle in this fashion until I feel the trans is up to operating temperature. ---- When I enter the highway, I place the selector into automatic drive position. (I have NEVER had an operational problem with the transmission. Some Toyota owners have complained about a "rpm flare up on the 3 to 4 and the 4 to 3 shift when the vehicle is driven on a cold start!)
3.) I change the engine oil and filter every 2,500 miles at the dealer, and I use a dealer recommended oil additive BG / MOA at every oil and filter change. --- This additive controls the "sludge problem!" ---- (The engine does not use any oil between oil and filter changes. I drive extensively on the highway on long over the road trips at 65mph for hours!)
4.) The Camry has Michelin tires, and I easily get 30mpg on long trips. (I have also gotten as high as 34+ mpg on long highway trips at 60mph! ----My 2010 4 cylinder Malibu only get 27mpg on the highway. ----- Both vehicles have a 6 speed automatic trans.)
5.) The Camry seating is very comfortable, and the performance of the power train is outstanding. --------( I would love to go "head to head" with a Ford Mustang with this V6 Camry coming out of a toll booth on the Graden State Parkway. ---- I know that the Mustang will eventually beat the Camry "if" it has the BIG ENGINE, --- but from a dead stop, ---- the Camry would hold its own to 60mph, (depending on the skill of the Mustang driver, and the engine in the Mustang.)
I would purchase a 2012 V6 Camry or Avalon in a heart beat! ----- I see them as a high quality product, and I have an OUTSTANDING dealer to keep the vehicle running great.
Best regards. --------------- Dwayne
#118 of 305 Re: Camry a GREAT VEHICLE [djm2]
Feb 08, 2011 (9:28 am)
Buy another Camry and then we can look forward to your praises of its outstanding features..The 4 cyl Malibu is not much of a car, and the 4 banger Camry is much superior..Never owned one, however I have a 2002 XLE in the garage which is a trouble -free to date..
I was going to buy a 2011 Camry SE, 4 banger at a huge discount, however I stumbled onto the tranny glitches which changed my mind. The SE series is the only Camry I would own due to its upgraded suspension goodies which enhances the handling eliminating the mushy handling of all Camrys including the Avalon..
My current rides are a supercharged 2006 Pontiac and a 2010 Mustang GT which are not the greatest for fit and finish, however fun items to drive..Living in Fla the roads are great, which tends to up the speeds on the xway so handling is important and triple-digits are quite common..
The V-6 Camry is pricey, but handles the a/c better at high speeds...Good luck on your Chevy, for it will only get worse..trade it.. Yep, I am a Big3 fan having owned 51 Big3 cars, but most of the economy cars out from the Big3 in the past have failed in MPG scene and worse in the durability factor..
#119 of 305 Re: Just want to say "THANK YOU" [wwest]
Feb 08, 2011 (2:15 pm)
There are a lot of unknowns so maybe you're right. But my personal experience says different and that the 'learning' is very fast.
We live three miles down a winding hilly road with a 25mph speed limit (not quite a roller coaster road, but close). At first our car was clunky and the transmission was often in the wrong gear lugging down the motor. The shifts were very loud and could be felt. After the first 100 miles on the car the transmission has always been in the right gear. No downshifting, no gear hunting, no hard shifts. Shifts on the highway are now almost seamless and I'm sure after a few more months of ownership the differences between our 2003 and our new 2011 will be forgotten.
All I can tell you is that I've experience all the "PROBLEMS" everyone else has and they were gone after the first week (120 miles). The engine is getting quieter but it's still noisier than our old 2.4L. This new 2.5 has 15 more horsepower and is more than a second faster accelerating to 60mph so a little noise under throttle is a good trade off. Just cruising down the road, this 2011 is MUCH quieter than our old Camry. I think it might be quieter than our 2008 Avalon who's tires are getting noisy.
This is our fourth Camry. What a great car. Sorry for those who are struggling but my wife and I think this car is a fantastic improvement. We are thrilled. We don't know of any other car in this class that's better for us and we've driven a lot of them.
#120 of 305 Re: Just want to say "THANK YOU" [kbetts1]
Feb 08, 2011 (3:22 pm)
how exactly do you check the fluid levels - there is no dip stick in the new camry
I also had taken my car to the dealership and after being told there were no issues, was told there was a tsb so they reset the codes, car ran ok for an hour then back to the same old issue again
this car has 2400 miles on it and drives like crap