Last post on Nov 08, 2011 at 6:24 PM
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Hyundai Accent, Hatchback
#134 of 223 Re: Test drive [phill1]
Jul 02, 2011 (9:22 am)
"YMMV". I like to use EPA ratings when comparing fuel economy across cars because there are so many variables if we look at what you get or I get or Joe Blow gets for fuel economy. Sure, it's possible to get over 40 mpg on any Fiesta. But it's possible to get over 40 mpg on an Accent (or Civic) too.
I have no "hate affair" with Ford. The FACT is, the EPA fuel economy rating on the Fiesta S with the manual transmission (which the OP is talking about getting) is 28 / 37.
So don't bash me over the head for stating FACTS. Maybe the EPA will adjust the FE ratings for the Fiesta S upwards for 2012. They haven't yet. I am stating the FACTS as they are today, not some premonition for the future.
Also, the tight rear leg room of the Fiesta is a FACT. May not be important for some people, like you. But seems to be important to the OP, who mentioned that it was a plus that the Civic has more rear seat room than the Accent.
Funny you talk about biased, though, with your 357 posts (or thereabouts) on the door handles of the Accent.
Both the new Accent and Fiesta are unproven for reliability. The Fusion is a different car than the Fiesta. But if you want claim that the Fiesta will be reliable because the Fusion has been reliable, I could say the same about the Accent wrt the Sonata or Elantra or some other Hyundai model.
P.S. It's an easy matter to buy a spare tire and jack for the Accent, if you are uncomfortable with not having one. That's what I'd do if I bought one of these new cars ala Accent or Elantra or Cruze that doesn't have a standard spare tire. A dumb idea to save a little weight/money, IMO. But easily remedied. Not so easy to add a bigger trunk or more rear leg room to the Fiesta.
#135 of 223 Re: Test drive [backy]
Jul 02, 2011 (10:10 am)
Odd that you take EPA Fuel Economy figures as the Holy Grail regardless what others (not just myself) and Publications like CR Posts. You know as well as I, in the (past) most Vehicles NEVER, I repeat "Never" get anywhere close to EPA Fuel Estimates in (real-time) driving conditions. They are usually obtained by putting a finely tuned sample vehicle on a Dynamometer to cull optimum results. The 2011 Ford Fiesta, a non-hybrid, actually delivers in excess of these ratings. If you insist that EPA rating`s are the equivalent of the Holy Bible, Koran, or the Talmud, so be it. Some folks still believe that the World is still flat despite compelling evidence to the contrary. Funny, no mention of ever being disappointed about owning a car that never achieved the EPA Fuel Economy posted on the MSRP? Only an issue that since the EPA (says) 28/37 MPG, then (that) is what one should expect, maybe. Check on the SFE Package too if you like and see it only (now) contains the tire upgrade unlike the new 2012 Ford Focus which has a different power louvered grill. I`ll wrap this up by stating, I like both Hyundai and Kia and have owned and intend to purchase their vehicles. My complaint is with HMA "decontented" its new Accent offering making it a lesser car then what is offered in other Markets around the world. Not just Canada gets a better equipped unit, but (even) India a developing Third World Nation, gets a higher content vehicle then the USA gets. Thats a fact, NOT an opinion. The "mirrors" which by the way are (now) painted the same exterior color as the vehicle on the GLS Base Sedan is just one item. There are plenty more. I`ll have to check and see if there is also a lack of storage area in my Fiesta Hatchback probably caused by the lack of back seat knee room too.
#136 of 223 Re: Test drive [phill1]
Jul 02, 2011 (12:48 pm)
You know as well as I, in the (past) most Vehicles NEVER, I repeat "Never" get anywhere close to EPA Fuel Estimates in (real-time) driving conditions.
I'll bet some do, just by the Law of Averages. But many people get worse than the EPA ratings. And many get better mpg than the EPA ratings. So for sake of comparison, I choose to use a published spec that is calculated in the same way on all vehicles, and is easily available to all. Not a "Holy Grail", but one way to compare on a standardized measure. I suppose instead we could use "Phill's Fuel Economy Ratings", but then you'd have to drive every car offered for sale, in exactly the same way--a big job.
BTW, Hyundai decontents EVERY vehicle it sells here compared to other markets, especially the ROK. That is likely a plus for the OP who says he wants a basic car. If it offends you somehow, well, there's many other cars to choose from. The Accent has plenty of equipment for me. If the GS hatch 6MT had cruise, it would be just about perfect.
#137 of 223 Re: Test drive [backy]
Jul 02, 2011 (1:17 pm)
backy, I`ll let you have the last word on this one. Its like a former Massachusetts "Yellow Dog Liberal Democrat Socialist" like myself or Sen Bernie Saunders from VT trying to find common ground with a Right Wing Evangelical Born Again Christian Conservative Republican Tea Bagger, (enough description?) like a Michelle Bachmann, could they agree that they are discussing a topic in the same time zone? I think Bachmann has a better chance of becoming the Homecoming Queen at a NYC Gay Pride Parade! Please don`t take offense as I am in no way attempting to characterize you as either of these people. I`m just saying.......If you think Hyundai Motors America (HMA) is doing the average consumer a favor by (not) allowing "options" on its vehicles, thanks cool. YOU did mention that your a tiny bit disappointed that you can`t get cruise control on the 2012 Accent GS Hatchback, see what I mean? I know the Hyundai Accent was never intended to be a poor man`s Mercedes Benz, Audi or BMW, but allowing more choices in options as they do in other Markets, would appear to have been reasonable . Time will tell, Consumers will vote with their wallets and it won`t be long before John Krafick looks like a genius or I go on the Food Network and devour a huge slice of Crow Pie minus the Whipped Cream! In the mean time, I`m hoping that this Fall when the new 2012 Kia Rio and Rio5 finally arrive, the wait will be worth it. If you pull the trigger and get your 2012 Hyundai Accent GS Hatchback, (minus the Speed Control), best of luck and enjoy......Sincerely, phill1
#138 of 223 Re: Test drive [phill1]
Jul 02, 2011 (2:18 pm)
If you think Hyundai Motors America (HMA) is doing the average consumer a favor by (not) allowing "options" on its vehicles, thanks cool.
No, that's not what I think. It's also not true. There's options on Hyundais, including some Accent trims. But consider Honda has not offered factory options on most of its vehicles for a long time. They've done OK with that approach. On the opposite side is Ford, which offers lots of option packages, and allows a car to be ordered from the factory equipped a certain way. I can see that would be attractive to many buyers. It would be attractive to me, if Ford offered a small car here with a roomy back seat. That's a "blocker" requirement for me with my next car.
Anyway, I do have the choice of cruise or not with the Accent, still in a reasonably priced car. It's not like, for example, the Cruze, where not only do I need to move to at least the LT to get cruise, I have to pay extra for it. At least on the SE hatch, cruise is standard. I'm still trying to decide if I really need cruise, since I have another car in the family that has it, and is more comfortable for long trips.
If I get an Accent, it will likely be a 2013... maybe it'll offer a backup camera and factory nav and a panoramic sunroof and 18" wheels and leather and gosh knows what else by then. I know I won't buy one like that, however.
#139 of 223 Re: Test drive [backy]
Jul 03, 2011 (5:53 am)
backy where are you seeing this base Accent for 13,205 including destination?The Hyundai link on this page says from 12,445 but when I click the link it shows from14,195 MSRP. At that price the Accent would definitely be a strong contender.
#140 of 223 Re: Test drive [nucarshopr]
Jul 03, 2011 (6:36 am)
What did the Yugo sell for? A new 2012 Accent stripped down with no radio, no A/C, and crank windows would sell well perhaps in the Sub Continent of Africa, but realistically here in North America, if you can find (one) the Dealer will have it in his Inventory for a Loss Leader Ad in the Sunday Newspaper listed as....Only "1" at This Price, Model # xxxxx. It will not be a big seller. Most New Car buyers want a few "bells and whistles" on their new ride. Not many wants pure "utility" otherwise they would look for a used well maintained former Police or Taxi vehicle. Funny how so many "frugal" Car shoppers are only interested in obtaining a New Car with the absolute lowest MRSP but then have no issue of "bending over" and paying between $500 to $800. for so called "Dealer Fee`s". What a hoot! I personally would rather put those funds into extra options on the vehicle, just saying....To each their own, I guess.
#141 of 223 Re: Test drive [nucarshopr]
Jul 03, 2011 (9:50 am)
Go to the New Cars tab in Edmunds.com and configure the base GLS sedan 6MT, with no options. MSRP is $13,205. Maybe you looked at the automatic?
#142 of 223 Re: Test drive [backy]
Jul 03, 2011 (12:38 pm)
backy, I know that you would not purchase a vehicle with "Panoramic sunroof,leather, and those enormously expensive 18`` tires due to replacements costs, (at least I can agree on the Tires), but as far as the "Rear View Back Up Camera", sorry my friend, whether you like it or not the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has (mandated) that by Model Year 2015 or before, ALL passenger vehicles sold in the USA must be equipped with that devise. Guess they are concerned about all the Senior Citizens and Baby Boomers coming of age that will need the assistance so they won`t back up and run someone over. I`m sure once your use to it, you won`t be able to fathom how you were ever able to live without it. It won`t be an option, but you (will) be paying for it in the MSRP like AirBags and ABS Brakes.
#143 of 223 Re: Test drive [phill1]
Jul 03, 2011 (1:54 pm)
No big deal. If it's standard, fine. But it will probably be a long time before I buy a car with that feature. After I get two cars in 2013 (at least one used), I won't be in the market again until 2016 unless something unplanned happens (like a car being totaled).
These days I don't know how I lived without AC and power windows and power mirrors. But my first 3 cars didn't have any of those, and I didn't have power windows/mirrors until my 7th vehicle. Heck, the first car I drove didn't even have a radio, power steering, power brakes, or carpets. But it got me around.