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Kia Sorento, SUV
#178 of 306 Re: Reason for bad gas mileage [side_show_tom]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 29, 2012 (5:07 am)
That's the argument Honda used when they were sued for puffing about their mileage ("fuel economy estimates AHM advertised could not be achieved under normal driving conditions."). Honda settled the class action:
Honda Civic Hybrid Settlement
Just like manufacturers built to crash tests, I think they tune the car's computers to do good on the mileage tests they do to meet the fuel economy regulations. Those numbers don't seem to translate well to the real world for some makes.
Both Kia and Hyundai are getting a reputation for their vehicles not getting the EPA miles per gallon estimates in the real world.
#179 of 306 Re: Remedy for Low Gas Mileage [side_show_tom]
Sep 29, 2012 (6:42 am)
Dude -- the issue is that KIA splashes the EPA estimates all over billboards and TV ads. If they were reluctant to stand behind them, then they wouldn't feature them so prominently in their marketing. THAT is my (and probably many) people's issue...
And, moreover, I paid an extra $1800 to be able to access the GDI technology due to , again, KIA's over the top promotion of it over the std 4 cylinder. As it stands, the difference in MPG is more realistically a few MPG, instead of the bigger difference many of us expected.
If you read most of the posts in this thread, you will see that people are tracking each tank fill vs mileage, not the dash display. So, drop that.
Go back several posts and you'll see my detailed mileage over the last 17,000 miles. I've only achieved 26 mpg once. I drive at least 50% highway miles. The range stated on the window sticker for highway (26-38) is meant to be a distribution. I don't expect it to be a normal distribution (bell curve), but I don't expect that I could never stay hover in the low end of the range on several all-highway trips.
#180 of 306 Re: EPA MILAGE NUMBERS VS. REAL [side_show_tom]
Sep 29, 2012 (12:31 pm)
You are not upset because you got what you paid for.
#181 of 306 Re: Reason for bad gas mileage [steve_]
Sep 30, 2012 (8:26 am)
This lawsuit pertains to a hybrid car, and is not really comparable. However, lets examine it anyway. People sued because Honda advertised the car as having 50 MPH. Completely true, for the EPA highway estimate. The ads also correctly, and legally disclosed this fact in the written part that flashes on the screen. Whatever your thought are on this being a proper disclosure it met the legal requirements.
So a bunch of people too ignorant to do proper due diligence regarding a vehicle purchase filed a class action. As is typical, Honda chose to settle instead of litigate, for cost reasons. What was the settlement? Up to $1K off of a new Honda to those eligible, if purchased within 1 year, and here is the best part, a free DVD on changing your driving habits to improve gas mileage.
It is estimated that trading in your old Honda for $1K off a new one is going to net the average owner about $200 in savings, and the % of people expected to do so is very small.
The bottom line is do the proper research on anything you plan to buy. The cost of the GDI engine versus the regular 4 divided by the fuel savings means you are going to spend years waiting for the MPG difference to pay back the higher cost. These differences have been documented by Consumer Reports and all of the car magazines.
How many of the people on here complaining actually test drove the Sorentos in all 3 different engine configs? How many knew their % of local vs. highway driving, since the GDI's better mileage comes from highway driving.
Its typical of Americans today to want to blame others for their own poor decisions. They can't even compare EPA mileage, which is designed to offer comparisons between vehicles, NOT guarantee you mileage of that particular vehicle. What part of "Mileage is for comparison purposes only, your mileage likely to vary" is ambiguous?
If any of these whiners had done a test drive between vehicles, and not bought the V6 for a 2 ton high profile vehicle, especially when the EPA difference is only 2 MPH, what is left to say?
Hire a lawyer, file suit, wait 2 years or more, get a coupon that nets you a $200 savings if you buy another KIA, and get your driving habits DVD.
The president of KIA will send you a driving habits color brochure right now for free. Seems to me to be your best option.
You can't fix stupid.
#182 of 306 Re: Reason for bad gas mileage [side_show_tom]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 30, 2012 (8:59 am)
I was surprised that Honda settled since the law essentially lets the manufacturers off the hook for publishing EPA ratings.
I don't think the fact that it was a hybrid really matter; the suits attacked the advertising.
It would be nice if there was a site with a large number of owners reporting in, not just ones with low mpg. Fueleconomy.gov has the right idea, but only a handful of owners reporting.
#183 of 306 Re: Reason for bad gas mileage [steve_]
Sep 30, 2012 (9:05 am)
They settled because it was less expensive than litigation. The people that sued got next to nothing. The lawyers got a nice payday, as is typical. People that talk about suing usually have little or no experience with doing so.
#185 of 306 Re: Remedy for Low Gas Mileage [side_show_tom]
Sep 30, 2012 (10:04 am)
Sorry, I meant the cost per MILE driven for gas is 16.66 cents 24 MPG, and 16.0 cents at 25 MPG.
#186 of 306 Re: EPA MILAGE NUMBERS VS. REAL [marilyn17]
Sep 30, 2012 (2:40 pm)
You got what you paid for too, you just did poor research, and now you want someone else to bail you out of it. EPA milage numbers do not in any way guarantee you that mileage. They are for comparison purposes only, between different makes and models.
#187 of 306 Re: Remedy for Low Gas Mileage [mcknigal]
Sep 30, 2012 (2:59 pm)
KIA did not create and is not responsible for the EPA mileage figures, so your complaint that they wont stand behind them does not make any sense. EPA mileage figures are to be used to compare the mileage between different makes and models, they in no way guarantee you that that is the mileage you will get. In fact, they all state that your mileage will probably vary.
The standard 4 cylinder in the Sportage gets an EPA combined 24 MPG, and the GDI gets 25, only 1 more MPG.
With gas at $4.00 per gallon, and driving 12K miles per year, it would take you over 22 years to recoup the higher cost of the GDI engine, if as you stated, you paid $1800 more to have it.