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#168 of 306 disgusted in mpg
Sep 18, 2012 (9:11 am)
Just got back from Ohio and the mpg was horrible. I am at 30,000 and it is a 2012 so they can't tell me I don't have enough miles on it. I am at the point of looking for another vehicle with the mpg as this one is killing me on gas. I haven't seen a class action suit yet anywhere. Don't waste your time with Kia corp as I too got a brocher and laughed at it . They just lied to all of their Sorento owner bottom line. I don't think any of the dealers get on to this website or I would think they would look it to it.
#169 of 306 Re: Rationalization for Low Gas Mileage [jawilson]
Sep 18, 2012 (6:41 pm)
I have almost all of the comments and several things stand out. Some people are getting excellent mileage, close to advertised and others something akin to aweful. Lets assume everyone drives differently but the kind of differential here seems way out out of whack. Couple of ideas, for starters the gauge calculations seem to be wildly unpredicable, such as mileage changing radically while sitting at idle, also seems there is now real concrete discussion as to whether the software may vary from one owner to the next. It seems also that with some folks break in made a difference and others it did not. If there is one thing that is consistant, its that there is nothing consistant. Reasons may be driving techniques, computer logic learning (if any), type and brand of fuel and others. The responses from KIA service are also whacky, one place states one thing for break in another something far different. I purchased the Sorento for my wife, parting with a Volvo S60 5 cylinder that consistenly got poor mielage until the tires were changed out and some BG44K was used. Got a 2.5 MPG boost to 20.3 around town and 28 or so on the road. I expected the same or slightly better from the GDI 4 cylinder.
One thing of note, the idle of the GDI is very erratic, sometimes smooth as glass other times down right rough. Dealer did an update that improved it but still there seems to be the same problem but to a lesser degree. Is anyone else having this issue? I wish the computer had an instant MPG read versus the average. You can tell a lot more from that. I am riding this out for a while and see if it gets better with some decent gas. Currently getting 17 around town on short trips. One more thing, where is your temp gauge sitting when driving? Mine is below center which seems odd.
Good luck to all!
Sep 19, 2012 (1:14 pm)
Jawilson, my idle is consistent, but it feels way too fast. I can idle at nearly 10 mph in drive. On my first service I'll have them check it. Idling this fast, i'm not so sure the MPG guage is any more broken in idle than at other time, it may kill your MPG that much. temp is 1 notch below half I think. (most cars have a special line or something where it should be, this one doesnt).
After my second test tank of gas, I've confirmed the MPG guage off by 10-11 percent. I got 26.8 (or 29.5 KiaMiles/gallon - KMPG) average after 1 full week, 5 days of 60 mile commuting w/ 80% freeway, and a handful of miles to store, restaraunts etc. after work and on weekend with bad traffic. I'd fill up my Celica GTS every 7 days using midgrade. My fillup this week with the Kia was 45$ (about a notch below half) with regular, lower than any celica fillup i had since May, about 2-5$ less. That was one of my goals, to pay about the same for gas as I did with my Celica. Granted, I drive the KIA for maximum MPG and the Celica I'd just lock cruise control at 75 and not think about it. But that doesn't mean I only drive 55, if there is traffic, I might, because the payoff for weaving around is so low anyway, but more typical is 65-70.
Some things that have helped me get better MPG from my first attempt I reported:
-not idling at drivethroughs forever (I still idled on last tank to keep the comparison with celica more or less fair)
-reset the MPG guage on freeway while driving 60, try to get it up to at least 36KMPG, and then try to keep it from falling when getting into town; as opposed to setting it in town and building it up on freeway; easier to see what's killing you.
-try to brake as little as possible, if you think the lights going to change red, let it roll out.
-this thing rolls forever, i'm getting better at not using gas just as i'm coming over a hill i know will get me up to speed with gravity down the other side.
Next thing is to optimize up/downhill on freeway, resetting MPG guage liberally and recording results with different kinds of speed variations.
and remember: with equivalent technology, a car will always get better MPG than an SUV. Laws of physics, more mass requires greater force to move it. period. with SUV we should shoot for "good enough", not "good".
#171 of 306 Re: Reason for bad gas mileage [cigarpro]
Sep 26, 2012 (5:55 am)
The worst "posted" mileage estimates I've seen in 40 years are Kia's. The Prius V I traded my Sorento in on is estimated to get 44 city and 40 hwy with an average 42. After 2500 miles the three measured tanks of gas have produced 41.6, 44.5, and 39.6mpg. The 39.6 was achieved at 73- 75mph on the interstate mostly. With a range of 450 miles, it's hard to get an all hwy number. If Toyota can post fairly accurate mileage numbers, there is no reason KIA can't, but them they couldn't sell cars...
Sep 26, 2012 (8:28 am)
It's looking like the trip estimator is way off -- though it's still useful as it appears consistently off -- but I have no reason to believe the Sorento doesn't get EPA. I finished my second week getting a combined of 26.5-27. That's measuring at the pump. EPA is 25 combined, though most will have a few more city miles than I do. Comparing a hybrid car to a standard SUV is a bit iffy. Just looking at the numbers alone, 44/40 differ by 10%, so your percentage city and highway driving is isn't relevant, you'll be in the ballpark no matter what. but 32/22 differ by about a third. It's very easy to ruin the "32" with stop-and-go driving, but EPA isn't "32", it's "32/22" with expected 25. The Sorento can get 32 on the freeway, i've done it for miles at a time in both directions.
What would really help if data was provided showing gas mileage as a function of different velocities/acceleration etc., so one can make selection based on their driving preferences and constraints. Though this exaggerates the point a bit, you can google an episode of Top Gear showing a Prius getting worse MPG than an M3 on a track.
#173 of 306 Re: Reason for bad gas mileage [1000001miles]
Sep 26, 2012 (10:26 am)
the bottom line here, and I said this before, is the sorrento is to big for the 4cyl engine. 4 cyl pulling 5000 lbs of vechile. I'll bet I have talked more than a dozen people out of buying this vechile. Again, I love it, but the mileage sucks and they lied about it.
I still can't believe after writing the president of KIA American, he responded with a color brouchure on how to drive for better mileage!!!!
I mailed it right back to him with a few words.
#174 of 306 EPA MILAGE NUMBERS VS. REAL
Sep 29, 2012 (12:43 am)
I don't understand all the angst about not achieving the EPA estimates, and somehow thinking KIA is responsible for deceptive advertising. KIA has absolutely nothing to do with EPA mileage estimates, and even the EPA qualifies their estimates with the standard, "your mileage may vary" disclaimer.
Talk of a lawsuit over EPA estimates is ignorance. Using the vehicle's trip computer to determine mileage is also ignorance. The EPA doesn't, and neither should you.
Most of the anger seems to be directed at the 4 cylinder mileage, and has already been pointed out, loading 3-4 passengers into a 2 ton vehicle, and expecting EPA mileage results is ridiculous too. Read the EPA testing parameters, duplicate them as closely as possible, and your results should approximate the EPA's. I have the V6 SX AWD, and my mileage is within +/- 3%.
A vehicle with this size and weight will give much more consistent mileage with the larger horsepower and torque of the V6, and the EPA mileage estimates between the 6 and the 4 were only 2 MPG. Why buy the 4 at all? Better to have the V6 power available and not need it, than vice versa.
I have had my Sorento 6 weeks, driven 1200 miles, and love it.
#175 of 306 Re: Reason for bad gas mileage [joehick]
Sep 29, 2012 (12:51 am)
KIA has nothing to do with EPA mileage estimates, and did not lie about anything. They are restricted by law on advertising anything BUT EPA mileage.
I think the President of KIA was more than polite to reply to your message at all. He sent you a brochure on how to achieve the EPA mileage by altering your driving habits, what more would you expect him to do?
If you think the Sorento is too heavy for the 4 cylinder, you should have bought the V6, but you cheaped out, and now you have no one to blame but yourself, not that you are not trying.
#176 of 306 Re: Remedy for Low Gas Mileage [jawilson]
Sep 29, 2012 (1:18 am)
Get a life Wilson. Take a good hard look in your rear view mirror, and there you will see the problem. The reason you are not getting the EPA mileage is YOU!
It's your driving habits, speed off the line, vehicle load weight, local vs. high %, or likely all of the above. If you had researched the vehicle properly, you would have gotten the V6.
The idea that KIA is participating in a conspiracy to fool people about EPA mileage is absurd. The EPA mileage ESTIMATES are on every new car window sticker in America, you cannot listen to salesman, or anyone else in this regard.
The nanny state has required consistent and published EPA estimates for years. Man up and take responsibility for your decisions and driving habits, and quit your whining, please.
#177 of 306 Re: EPA MILAGE NUMBERS VS. REAL [side_show_tom]
Sep 29, 2012 (5:02 am)
Let me explain one more time about the Angst. I bought the 2012 4 cyl sorento about a year ago, was troubled at the mpg I was getting, 12mpg city and about 18 hgwy. Told everyone about the problem and was told about the breakin period, and even was sent a brouchure by the president of kia on how to drive for better mpg.
Well the bottom line is not matter the EPA estimates or not KIA sells this product based on that, and to me that is deceptive, and they certainley do that, proclaiming ther great mpg this gets. I have done all the test scenarios you can think of, and not by the mpg calc on my tripometer, but by actual fuel used vs mileage, and not with 3-4 people in the vechicle, just me.
So good luck with your KIA, but please don't tell me what I already know, and that the MPG claim by KIA is CRAP.