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#234 of 747 Re: 2011 - Driving Impressions [grover432]
Oct 09, 2010 (8:18 am)
We drove both extensively and ended up buying the Odyssey (our third in a row). If Honda had done their homework, we wouldn't even had considered the Sienna. Our last Odyssey was a 2006 EX-L. In 2011, you need to get the Touring to get the NAVI and Rear Entertainment system which we had on the EX-L. The thing that really annoyed my wife, however, is that the new NAVI is not a touch-screen (same software, but now uses a control knob). The NAVI on the Sienna IS a touch-screen and works very nice (except you cannot set a destination when you are moving). They both drive nice, but the Honda is more controlled and "taut". The Sienna is more floaty and less precise. We ended up settling for the Honda because the interior on the Honda is MUCH nicer and ultimately we have had got luck with Hondas so why change. The interior on the Sienna is not what you would expect on a $40,000 vehicle.
#235 of 747 Re: 2011 Touring Odyssey for $710 over invoice [mllefkow]
Oct 09, 2010 (8:48 am)
Assuming your 2006 Touring was in at least 'good' condition, you didn't buy your touring for $710 over invoice, you bought it for roughly $3000 over invoice. They gave you about $2k less for your trade in than they should have. And, if you had advertised your car on craigslist or autotrader, you could have sold it in less than a day for $16k.
I'm glad you posted information about your trade in. I wish everyone posting here would do the same. Saying "I got $3k under invoice" but failing to mention that they only gave you $100 for trading in your Bentley does no one here any good.
I'm not pointing all of this out to make anyone feel bad, but to draw attention to the fact that when a trade in is involved, the pricing that you got is completely invalid for comparison with anyone else's deal. The dealership will put somewhere between $200 (cleaning materials and minimum wage labor) and $1000 (if parts are needed) into your trade, then list it for $21k and probably sell it for $18-$19k. Trade ins are enormously profitable for them, and they'll do very well with yours. I don't begrudge them this scheme, they have to make a profit to stay in business. But informed consumers can save themselves money fair and square by running all of the numbers.
Oct 09, 2010 (3:36 pm)
Dear anyone from Honda who might be reading this forum: I will be in the market for a van in 12-14 months from now. I really want to purchase a 2012 Odyssey, but there are 2 issues that must be addressed for the 2012 model year before I will write the check: (1) PLEASE color key the side mirrors and rear overhang to match the paint on the van. The 2011 reminds me of older Honda DX (stripped) models that sported black mirrors and door handles to reduce cost. It looks terrible. Whatever design rationale was behind the glossy black mirrors and satin black rear overhang on the 2011 has completely missed its mark. Did I mention it looks terrible? (2) Please add a smart key system on the Touring Elite. Just borrow it from the Acura RL parts bin if you have to. This feature might seem frivolous to some, but my wife has become so accustomed to it in our current vehicle, it has become a strict requirement going forward. Its sort of like caller ID in that one gets spoiled by it and can't go back. Oh, and psst...the Sienna Limited has it. Please follow suit. If you make these 2 adjustments for 2012, then you may count on my purchase. Otherwise, I will be forced to choose the Sienna Limited by default.
#237 of 747 2011 Odyssey Remote Start
Oct 10, 2010 (11:42 am)
I just ordered a Black on Gray 2011 Odyssey Touring (non-Elite). Got a great deal and I'll post specific pricing etc after delivery.
In the interim I'm looking at accessories. It appears that Honda offers a factory remote start accessory which I understand requires two parts the Remote Start (Part # 08E91-E22-101A) and the Remote Engine Starter Attachment (Part # 08E92-TK8-100). From what I can tell they don't require any splicing and are plug and play. My question is does anyone know whether these will just work or do I need a Honda dealer to install / program them?
#238 of 747 Re: 2011 Odyssey Remote Start [cheapreading]
Oct 10, 2010 (11:55 am)
whatever you do, make sure you first go to Bernardi Parts .com and check out all their accessories and especially their Honda Care warranty offers (maximum coverage 8 years/120000 miles for $1300).
I have yet to find anyone cheaper on everything that they sell. They have a great customer service department that has always been able to answer any product questions I had.
I have bought for my new 2008 Touring and now our 2010 Touring and always look forward to buying different things. Happy Shopping!
#239 of 747 2011 Ody vs Certified Pre-Owned 08-09
Oct 10, 2010 (4:13 pm)
Test drove the 2011 Ody EX-L with RES - not really an RES fan, but that is what they had to test drive. New Ody Interior blew away the 2011 Sienna (very cheap plastic) we test drove a few weeks ago. 3rd row seats are slightly easier to fold into the floor but not as easy as the website shows. Wide 2nd row is very nice - could come in handy with car seats/boosters. Seat belts come out of the ceiling for middle passengers and are well designed. Latch system is easy to get at. Full size front center console is great Standard bluetooth worked well. Standard large screen rearview camera is nice. Dash Electronics are very advanced. It drove well in an around the town test drive. Cool box is good, but I would rather have the dual glove box on older models. 2GB hard drive for music and iPOD/MP3 jack have unproven value to us. Did not test the RES functions.
Concerns: Loss of 2nd row under floor storage is disappointing as I think my kids will stand on the new trash bag ring and snap it off. There is a huge front blind spot when making right turns as the sloped windshield pillar is quite wide. Having a passenger in the front seat makes it even more difficult to see. Tall Drivers will get annoyed because you cannot stretch out your left leg while driving due to shortened wheel well area. Heat/AC controls are not intuitive compared to 08-09 but should be easy to learn after some time. No 2nd row inside armrests if you remove the middle seat. On styling, they really blew it with black mirrors and black rear overhang. We saw a Tafetta White 2011 Ody with added black mudflaps, black sunroof visor, and black roof rails. It looked terrible. The dealer was turning it into their shuttle van. The white, light blue, and silver colors will probably sit on the lot until they deep discount or start color matching the mirrors and rear overhang. I expect alot of the darker colors to be ordered in the meantime.
Overall, I might lean towards a Certified Pre-Owned. This will give them time to work out technical bugs, improve driver leg room, and improve the appearance. I realize engine and tranny for 2011 EX-L are the same as previous generation Ody, but I do believe the first year glitches could come up with the new electronic dashboard. Anyone seeing something different?
#240 of 747 Re: 2011 Odyssey Remote Start [lalexopoulos]
Oct 10, 2010 (5:48 pm)
Thanks - between Bernardi and Honda dealers on eBay that's where I seem to find the best pricing. Offering my dealer the opportunity to price match as I negotiated aggressively on the van and they were great so I'd rather they make a couple of dollars off the accessories.
#241 of 747 2011 Odyssey EXL in Dark Cherry
Oct 10, 2010 (11:59 pm)
Did anyone manage to buy the Odyssey EX-L RES in dark cherry pearl. No dealers
seem to have this color.
#242 of 747 2011 Odyssey Trade-offs vs 2010
Oct 11, 2010 (8:08 am)
It appears Honda had specific design goals for the new 2011 Ody. The average customer may overlook subtle trade-offs between the old vs new model.
1. Remake the van concept to broaden appeal and lure younger, van phobic parents away from SUVs. The 2011 is most assuredly a van, but the marketing department tells customers how we are to perceive the new Ody...."low-slung, modern profile, both attention-grabbing and aerodynamic."
2. "Increase seating flexibility with a revised multi-function 2nd-row center seat (EX and above) with a seat cushion that is 4 inches wider." Read into this statement that they wanted this center seat to be a true 8th pax seat.
The stylish low-slung look sacrifices headroom in the middle row and reduces the rear & side outside view by significantly reducing window area. The modern lower profile dictated the larger sliding door track which was better concealed on the older Ody.
To achieve the 4 inches of room for a true 2nd row center seat, the 2011 grew 2 inches in width. The seats however became narrower. ...the Ody appears to share seats with the Honda Pilot; gone are the roomy 2010 wide seats.
The van was stretched 1 inch to increase 2/3rd row leg room. That length & width fills up the garage and makes parallel parking more difficult especially with the restricted rear visibility related to new roof pillars. The back-up camera revised display is a help.
The Michelin energy tires are not available on the 2011EX/ EXL. Those premium tires are good for 1 to 1.5 MPG increase over standard tires. Michelin's were standard equipment in 2010.
The interior design on the 2011 is more refined, however, Honda reduced cost by replacing the handsome chrome door handle with plastic. The shift knob seems cheapened. I believe it is a step backwards to previous generation Odys to not color match the side mirror & roof line spoiler to the exterior color. I don't care for the use of a soft matte plastic on side pillars vs the harder glassy material found on the 2008 - 2010 van. The matte plastic look is downscale and does not wear well. The 2011 Touring does get the better material on the side pillars and roof line spoiler.
Roof rails are gone in the 2011. Probably improves MPG by .3%
Some customers may believe the NAVI with new recessed screen is an improvement. From experience, I would trade out the times the screen is washed out for touch screen access. Using a jog dial is awkward vs a screen touch display.
We are empty nesters who migrated from several Lexus 400s to our second Ody. We love the Ody with NAVI for comfortable travel. We don't need the 2011 2nd row seat configuration and enjoy the increased 2010 outside visibility and touch screen NAVI. One complaint with our previous 2008 Ody was road noise but the 2010 EXL we test drove was better and the 2010 Touring we purchased even better damping road/suspension noise. Overall road noise is not a negative on a 2010 EXL or Touring.
You may wish to read this review: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2010-10-07-test-drive-honda-o- - dyssey_N.htm
There is a price increase of 3 to 4% on the 2011 vs $4K to $5K discounts on the 2010s. Also some content was removed and replaced with less expensive materials on the new model. Hopefully this post points out unconsidered details to assist in your evaluation of the 2011 model.
#243 of 747 2011 Odyssey downgrades its tires...
Oct 11, 2010 (2:52 pm)
After inspecting the new Odysseys at our local dealer, I noticed that one of the ways the US engineers cheapened up the new release is through inferior tires. I have purchased Hondas for years and usually with Accord EX/Odyssey EXs Honda used good Michelin tires. The new Odyssey through the EX and EX-L line uses Continental ContiProContact tires (235/65 R17 103T). Some early reviews indicate from a handling standpoint, traction and gas mileage these tires are mediocre at best. Now for Touring models the geniuses at Honda in Alabama went with Michelin Primacy MXV4s a superior tire and one even Honda says contributes to the better gas mileage posted by the $40k+ touring models. Ok... why did Honda ever let Americans take a lead role in design and economics on these new models. They look cheap with the non-color coded rear mirrors and ugly black mud guards. Then they put on an inferior tire worth about $162 instead of a better Michelin Primacy that cost $185... so for the difference of $23 per tire or $92 per car, Honda engineers are saying to the customer you are stuck with an inferior set of tires for 30-40 k miles or until you fed up with the Continental's performance.
I guess the competitors need another look before I write the check.