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#44 of 63 Re: Classic car inspection? [jeff_the_chef]
Aug 24, 2010 (8:29 am)
You keep making 'THE POINT" in your own answers! Yes, IF the inspector evaluates the car on the day, then that is fine. But Automobile Iinspections (at least) DO NOT! They make assessments and draw incorrect conclusions on what they see/hear on issues they dont understand and so should refrain from doing so.
You can't "look" at a Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow and say that because you hear a tapping sound on start-up, that it is noisy valve gear/lifters. This is drawing an INCORRECT conclusion and is NOT an observation - it is drawing an "inference" based on knowledge of OTHER cars and not knowing a Rolls-Royce (Silver Shadows do not have a brake master cylinder but 2 brake pumps that are driven from the camshaft which make a "tap-tap-tap" noise when cold and on low pressure start-up). You cant "sound-test" the body panels for bondo as this too is "drawing an inference" and NOT an OBSERVATION (Rolls-Royce hoods, trunk and doors are aluminum so "sound" different"). Automobile Inspections LLC did this. Must I keep going on? I am an expert only because I have spent 25 years with Rolls-Royce and even then, I only claim to be an expert on 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s Rolls-Royce. Becuase I have considerable knowledge of these I dont claim to be an expert on a 1950s Wraith, for example. In fact I only know them in a cursory sense. However, Automobile Inspections say; "we know cars so we must know all of them".... How crazy is that?
When you make the comment; "do you expect a mechanic to tell you about if the car was hit and fixed? Do you expect him to know how to check paint for blend or tape lines, factory chassis welds for repairs or other signs the car was taken to the track?".... I absolutely agree! So they should try to! Automobile Inspections LLC, claim they can on Rolls-Royce! They cannot and do NOT know Rolls-Royce.
All in all said, if they did just a "general" inspection without drawing inexperienced conclusions they would be ok. But no, they want to prove "how clever" they are which only ends up proving how incompetent they are - no one wins.
I hope they read this thread.
#45 of 63 Re: Dont use Inspection companies for classic cars [jeff_the_chef]
Aug 24, 2010 (8:37 am)
You are re-inforcing my point once again. A lot of Rolls-Royce buyers, for instance, do not know what to look for and whereas I understand that should be the basis for an inspection, they should not be MISLEAD by inspectors who are not in the know. Referring to my comments in my most recent previous post, if an inspector was to report to a potential buyer that a Rolls-Royce has noisy valve gear (which surely suggests it is worn), the buyer will most likely not buy the car or wish to pay significantly less. And yet, the reality is, there is nothing wrong with the valve gear.
So, the conundrum is; does the inspector NOT mention something he is not experienced in - probably not. But if he makes comment on something he has no idea about, that very clearly says he should not be inspecting that make of car to start with. In the legal system, I think that is referred to as a "non credible witness". And, as verdicts should be drawn "beyond reasonable doubt" THAT witness's testimony should be EXCLUDED.
The prosecution rests.
#46 of 63 Re: Classic car inspection? [jeff_the_chef]
Aug 24, 2010 (8:49 am)
Jeff - do I remember you stating that 'a Maserati is no different than a Mustang' in terms of appraisal? Were you serious? You believe that someone able to appraise a '72 Mustang is equally qualified to appraise a '72 Indy?
#47 of 63 lost in the ether
Aug 24, 2010 (9:18 am)
..... or a 72 Rolls-Royce?
some book about some are from Mars and others from Venus?..... Jeff is from Alpha Centauri (and I think also from Automobile Inspections, LLC)
#48 of 63 Re: Classic car inspection? [jeff_the_chef]
Aug 24, 2010 (2:53 pm)
Ah, I don't think you have any clue as to the qualifications or the background of our host is.
If you knew you would not have called him "quite wrong"!
#49 of 63 Re: Classic car inspection? [isellhondas]
Aug 24, 2010 (3:14 pm)
Yeah, I got a kick out that, along with his "It doesn't matter if the car is a Mustang or a Maserati." comment...
#50 of 63 Re: Classic car inspection? [isellhondas]
Aug 24, 2010 (3:21 pm)
Hello "He that sells Hondas" (need I say anymore).
I am not sure why knowing "Jeff the Chef" has anything to do with Automobile Inspections, LLC's incompetence, or any other inspection company for that matter? They don't know Rolls-Royce, this has been well proven by their most recent "inspection", so they shouldn't be doing inspections on them. In fact, it is my assumption, there are many other classic and exotic cars they are not experienced in and should not be doing inspections on those either. Of course, in the chase for the almighty dollar in these difficult and uncertain economic times they "are experts in all cars", it appears.
Now, back again to "Jeff the Chef"? Unless his name is Charles, Henry, Owen and/or any descendent, understudy or indirect employee of these, I am confused to understand why his "existence" and me knowing who he is" makes a difference.
Feel free to have him challenge me on my known subject.
Your honour, the forum shall now move outside for a gentlemen's dual of specific knowledge...... Court adjourned?
#51 of 63 Re: Classic car inspection? [isellhondas]
Aug 24, 2010 (3:27 pm)
My apologies "I sell Hondas".... Upon review, I see your comments were directed to "Jeff the Chef" in reference to our host. I thought your comments were directed to me and for that misunderstaning and my retort to you, I apologise unreservedly.
#52 of 63 Re: Classic car inspection? [classic10]
Aug 24, 2010 (6:00 pm)
BTW, I retired in May,
#53 of 63 steps for classic car inspections
Aug 24, 2010 (9:40 pm)
For classic car inspections one should do Pre-purchase inspections,Accident valuation ,Restoration and Independent valuation .