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#19 of 38 Re: Cash for Clunkers - Japan Style [rockylee]
Feb 08, 2010 (12:55 pm)
True, Rocky. If not for our military presence, Japan would be known as the Nippon Soviet Socialist Republic and there'd be statues of Josef Stalin in the Ginza.
#20 of 38 Re: Cash for Clunkers - Japan Style [british_rover]
Feb 08, 2010 (12:59 pm)
Rather than build cars in the United States for the Japanese market, the big three invested in existing Japanese makers. GM had Isuzu, Suzuki, and briefly Subaru. Ford had Mazda, and Chrysler had Mitsubishi.
#21 of 38 Re: Cash for Clunkers - Japan Style [rockylee]
Feb 08, 2010 (3:18 pm)
People in Japan like Japanese cars. They don't like American cars. It's simple.
Which US-built cars would the Japanese buy in numbers great enough to support dealer and service infrastructure?
GM is making some great cars, but still has some duds. And none of them are really suitable for the Japanese market. I will easily say they'd rather have an Opel (a company that can design competent smaller cars) than a Chevy if they went GM...how would that help the US?
The Japanese clunker deal is meaningless - as there's virtually no sales network for American built cars in Japan to begin with.
There's a lot of unfair trade out there - especially with China...I just don't see this worthy of being upset.
#22 of 38 Re: Cash for Clunkers - Japan Style [lemko]
Feb 08, 2010 (3:20 pm)
I am sure if our guilt-mongers would allow them a return to full on nationalism, they'd have no problem defending themselves. Same for Germany. Our military remains in these places 65 years after the war for our own ego as much as any supposed protection. We've still got to show ourselves that "we won something", even though it was generations ago, and it didn't exactly keep our own closets free of skeletons.
#23 of 38 Re: Cash for Clunkers - Japan Style [lemko]
Feb 08, 2010 (6:26 pm)
s. Even then, I still envy my Dad's generation. You have to have a Master's degree these days just to do as well as a 1960s factory worker.
That is just not true. Yes you need more education now then you did 40 years ago but a basic factory job isn't worth 40 plus dollars an hour. It just isn't. I am not saying it should be a minimum wage job but it 15-25 an hour yes that is where it should be.
I make more money adjusted for inflation then my dad did at my age. Now in five years if I am not making 25-30 percent more then I am now then I won't be making as much as my dad did as he had his master at that point. Put the time line out another 10-15 years from now and I need to double or triple what I am making now. By that time my dad had his own business and until the oil market collapsed in the late 80s he was doing very, very well.
My Brother in law is in the same shape as me and so are several other friends I graduated college with. All of us in our late 20s to early 30s.
#24 of 38 Re: Cash for Clunkers - Japan Style [british_rover]
Feb 09, 2010 (1:42 am)
I have lots of friends with Master Degree's that are working fast food and other menial jobs because they can't find a decent damn job. Sure you and your friends might be the exception of the rule but the fact remains our generation is not better off than our parents generation. Some of my friends thought they were going to get the good paying job as the market looked decent for employment opportunities when they persued that degree but instead they got a nice chunk of debt and a McJob salary. But because our exports aren't excepted in Japan, due to trade barriers and currency manipulation issues our generation will suffer.
#26 of 38 veedubs are selling in japan
Feb 09, 2010 (12:14 pm)
So if you wave a magic wand and the import tariffs go away, what can GM sell in Japan and Europe tomorrow in meaningful numbers? Remember, it's the NA GM lineup, not Opel cars.
trucks - no
body on frame suv - no
anything with a V6 - maybe but not a great numbers
Ask yourself, if gas is $5/gal, which GM vehicle would you own?
#27 of 38 Re: veedubs are selling in japan [nwng]
Feb 14, 2010 (2:59 am)
GM has the largest fleet of the most fuel efficient vehicles in the world. If Japan's market was open they might consider making more smaller cars as it would make business sense and we would benefit because GM would probably include those vehicles for our market as well. Small cars will sell but you have to do a large enough volume to make those thin profits per unit to justify it!!!
#28 of 38 Re: Cash for Clunkers - Japan Style [lemko]
Feb 14, 2010 (3:00 am)