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#13 of 882 Re: Re not twins [backy]
Mar 17, 2010 (12:27 pm)
backy, if you read my message, you will note I said they shared the same 4 cylinder engine, but not much else. They had different transmissions, different 6 cylinder engines, and were actually in different EPA classes (mid-size and full-size). Of course components are shared, like components are shared between the Ford Taurus and Ford Flex, but to call them twins overstates the overlap. Fusion and Milan are twins. Explorer and Mountaineer are twins. The Optima and Sonata have not been twins since about the 2004 model year. And I very much doubt Kia-Hyundai will return to that sort of badge engineering that was the beginning of the Optima.
#14 of 882 Not twins...
Mar 17, 2010 (1:08 pm)
Same four cylinder engine and transmission for sure (the new cars and the present generation) . I think Backy and I were into a long discussion as to whether the present gen. Optima was a shortened Sonata or a lengthened Elantra. Think the last guess was that it was it's own thing, shared only with the Rondo.
Of course, I'm not even sure what a shared platform is anymore. Obviously lots of engineering must get passed from one model to another but they're probably not the same duplicate car like the Chrysler cloud cars or the Sunfire/Cavalier of the early-mid nineties. Thank God, Hyunkia isn't making those mistakes-- like both lines but they're certainly different. In my case the local Kia dealer is far more likable so would probably continue to go that route.
I certainly didn't see resemblance between the next gen Optima and present Elantra, but I certainly do with the rear end clip in this newest picture. Interesting that to my mind the Optima and Sonata have totally different styling clues in the new car, looking nothing alike, but both have some resemblance to the Elantra.
The new Optima has lots of Saab-hints in it, not sure I like the extra wide c-pillar and I'm still not sure I like the new trends of many manufacturers to make side windows so small.
#15 of 882 Re: Re not twins [gregg_vw]
Mar 17, 2010 (1:11 pm)
I think the EPA cu. ft. differences of the last gen cars were very close as the Optima barely missed being full size and the Sonata barely made it. My wife's Optima is almost as large as my Malibu Maxx in official size but seems much smaller in usable room. I think a lot of the Optima's size is in head room. If the roof clears your head by 2 inches or 5 inches, it makes very little difference in actual usable space-- unless you have a moon roof.
Mar 17, 2010 (1:29 pm)
holy smokes. it looks awesome! man, i think i'm liking more than sonata.
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Mar 17, 2010 (1:31 pm)
yeah, wheels look weird. it's too Golf like. but everything else look like it should compete against maxima and TL. wow. Schreyer strikes again.
#20 of 882 Re: Re not twins [gregg_vw]
Mar 17, 2010 (7:13 pm)
Actually, one of the problems was I could NOT read your entire message at the time I replied because of the large photo that was posted above it. But I am surprised that Hyundai/Kia developed two different 5-speed ATs for use in the 2009-10 Optima and Sonata I4s, considering they used the same engine.
2005 was the last twin year for the Optima/Sonata I think, with the 2006 Optima using the old design (until the 2006.5 redesign), and the Sonata was new for 2006 MY.
Mar 29, 2010 (10:41 am)
Automotive News is reporting that the Optima will get the 3.3 liter V-6 when it debuts this fall. If so, that represents a complete flip-flop with the Sonata when it comes to performance. Believe it when I see it.
Don't think you can just pull up Automotive News website but the first page of their e-edition shows the best looking picture of the Optima yet. Definitely Saabish.
#22 of 882 Re: V6??? [csandste]
Mar 29, 2010 (1:00 pm)
If the turbo four in the Sonata has, as rumored, as much or even more power than the 3.3L V6 in the 2010 Sonata, then it won't be a "flip-flop" with the Sonata if the 2011 Optima gets the V6. It will be a differentiator, though--and Hyundai/Kia seems to be doing a good job separating their cars from each other.