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#14 of 53 Re: Nope and it has nothing to do with the recall [watkinst]
Jan 29, 2010 (11:20 am)
Oh man, I can see why you would be disappointed in the mileage, what does it get, somewhere in the neighborhood of 14mpg? Ouch.
Ya, that would definitly be an ideal application for a diesel. And I know Toyota builds fine diesels based on a vacation with an Avensis diesel in Ireland. I'd buy that car in a heartbeat if it came here.
But, in the grand scheme of things your LC gets typical mileage for its class. Look at GM's schoolbuses (all 9 different models), my buddys Burban used to get 8mpg! 12 on a good day. The hybrid versions were dead from the start. I called it before they even made the lots, nobody who is concerned with "Going Green" or conserving energy is looking for a 3 ton SUV! That idea was so far out of touch it was laughable. Hybrid or not, it was still a BOF SUV coming from a company that thrived on selling gas pigs. I used to count 43 different models that offere a V8 in the Government Motors lineup, next something like 7 models that didn't.
Anyways, it sounds like price isn't a concern since you already own a vehicle in that price range, I thought you might have a Highlander class of vehicle.
#15 of 53 Re: Nope and it has nothing to do with the recall [watkinst]
Jan 29, 2010 (11:25 am)
I forgot to add, that I think Toyota is waiting for a stronger business case before (at least in your class of vehicle) offering a diesel option. Sales of the Cruiser, LX and Sequoia are not huge by anymeans so a diesel option has even more limited appeal. That and the added cost for qualifying that new engine for the states would probably jack the price into the heavens. And lastly, the price of diesel isn't far off from a gallon of petrol.
One can always hope there is the option in the future tho! Where is Gary (gagrice), he'll back us up!
#16 of 53 Re: Nope and it has nothing to do with the recall [anythngbutgm]
Jan 29, 2010 (11:46 am)
Actually it gets 10-11mpg around town and 12mpg with a tail wind on the highway. And I generally err on the higher range with my vehicles.
We had a very heavy 9 passenger Diesel LC in Tanzania for two weeks we averaged 25mpg. It was also old tech and would be considered a dirty diesel
Neighbor has an 08 GL 320 CDI - he did a family road trip during Christmas break around 900 miles round trip. His logged milege at the gas pump was 27mpg! He gets 22-24mpg with mixed every day around town to work driving. That was hauling three kids - a dog and enough crap to keep three kids entertained both in and out of the car.
Back in September we took the 2001 legacy GT with a roof box on a 2500 mile family road tour three states and three weeks. Our worst highway milege was 25mpg in CA - Best was 27.5mpg in Oregon. We got 26mpg in Washington st
Washington st and Ca highway speeds were nearly identical 70-80mph. Oregon was 65-70mph. Thats with a 2.5L 5spd manual AWD sedan.
The landcruiser just spent last weekend hauling around 4 adults and two kids we averaged 11mpg.
#17 of 53 Re: Nope and it has nothing to do with the recall [anythngbutgm]
Jan 29, 2010 (12:04 pm)
Price doesn't seem to matter given your nice AWD minivans are running 40K and up. Shoot even the Government Motors 7 passenger SUV with like 7 different branded names on it is pushing 40+K.
Father inlaw is a diehard Suburban guy. His last one which he still owns 280,000 miles his new one 60,000 miles on it and he swears up and down its the biggest piece of crap he has ever owned. He gets 16mpg with the new one. The old one he got 18mpg. The 80's diesel Suburban which he owned till it turned into a pile of rust posted 21mpg. He drives like Aunt daisy so his milege numbers are a bit skewed.
#18 of 53 Back to Toyota and milege
Jan 29, 2010 (12:26 pm)
Back on topic regarding Toyota SUV milege.
We do road trip / Regattas every summer our boat is onedesign meaning its identical to the others in our fleet. Good friend tows with a sequoia the past two years same trip same boats - same road. He gets 12mpg towing I get 11mpg towing with the landcruiser. Another competitor has a taco with essentially the same V8 he gets the same milege.
Another competitor has a GM 4dr small pick up with a 5cylinder he gets 16mpg towing. Keep in mind these are racing sailboats that weigh around 2000lbs with the trailer and gear total very light.
Then we have one guy this past year showed up with a diesel X5 which will run circles around all our vehicles he was getting 25mpg and towing well beyond legal speeds when he passed two of us.
When it comes to big heavy vehicles built to haul crap or people nothing beats the diesel period.
Jan 29, 2010 (12:53 pm)
Three sentences just up the page sum up quite neatly why I won't be buying any more Toyotas....
Toyota peaked on bang for the buck at least 15 years ago so they'll have their work cut out for them.
The car choices are lacking style and something when it comes to the driving experience. IE they are too bland and boring.
Jan 29, 2010 (1:05 pm)
Toyota and Mazda make the most affordable large family vehicle that you can buy with a manual transmission, and since i don't want the mini vanish Mazda 5 my next vehicle will be a Double Cab Toyota Tacoma 4x4
#22 of 53 YES and no
Jan 29, 2010 (1:08 pm)
This latest mess would not stop me.
If I like the vehicle and the deal then of I would buy a Toyota.
I also don't buy this made in the USA or Japan stuff. The motoring industry is such a global enterprise you can not be sure who owns what or where the dollar is ending up.
My experience with cars that are expensive or cheap it is sometimes down to luck and whether the person on the production line is having a good day or not.
#23 of 53 Re: Nope and it has nothing to do with the recall [anythngbutgm]
Jan 29, 2010 (3:16 pm)
The hybrid versions were dead from the start. I called it before they even made the lots, nobody who is concerned with "Going Green" or conserving energy is looking for a 3 ton SUV! That idea was so far out of touch it was laughable. Hybrid or not, it was still a BOF SUV coming from a company that thrived on selling gas pigs. I used to count 43 different models that offere a V8 in the Government Motors lineup, next something like 7 models that didn't.
That is a great stretch of sentences that sums up GM's previous situation completely.