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#846 of 3623 Scared
Feb 05, 2010 (10:15 pm)
I've been reading this toyota thing for some time here. I was in the market to replace my 2000 accord (110k miles) and the 2010 6 cyl XLE camry was the car of my choice (never another honda, but that's a different story). My father-in-law passed away and my mother-in-law wanted to trade me her very nice 2002 taurus (DOHC 6 cyl loaded SES with about 50k miles on it) for the honda. She doesn't drive much and wanted a smaller car that didn't remind her of him. So I searched the web for 2002 taurus problems and it seems ford did recalls on the taurus through 2001 for coil springs that were suddenly breaking and flattening tires. It appears the problem continues through the 2002 model, but that it was not included in the recall. My point? The thought of a potential coil spring breaking bothers me enough that I'm going to pass on it. I don't want to be wondering if/when it will happen. I don't want it in the back of my mind every time I get in the car. I believe the same will likely be true for many toyota owners. They'll be wondering if/when for them. They'll be wondering if the problem has really been resolved, if it can recur, etc. I think future car buyers will also have this in the back of their heads. Not just the problem with the car, but the way toyota has dealt with it. To me it's been a "sneaky" way of doing business - one which tells me it is not a company I want to be associated with.
#847 of 3623 Just got my Gas Pedal Fixed for the Recal at Toyota Today and...........
Feb 05, 2010 (11:41 pm)
All Toyota did was put a shim behind the pedal where the spring is located. They did nothing else. No ECU or ECM adjustments or flash. They did just the shim.
I was told that there might be a new gas pedal assembly coming, but they don't know when. So right now, I don't know whether or not there will be any other recal repairs for the gas pedal on my Camry? Only time will tell.
Other than that, my vehicle is running fine from what I can see. I got it to drive it and that's what I intend to do. I am not worried about the car. It's been very reliable so far.
#848 of 3623 Congrats to the Engineers who ...
Feb 06, 2010 (4:59 am)
have figured out how to putting fuel in an engine & and stopping the fuel-flow, so complicated!
Pedals with complicated motions, pedals too close together, can't figure out how to keep a mat in place, all sorts of sensors and computers needed to put the gas in the engine, when someone was able to do it in a Model T. Whatever problem or problems drivers are having, theses are ridiculous to have.
Congrats to all the electrical, software, and design engineers out there involved in making products like this!
This goes out to all auto manufacturers. Make the products simpler, less costly, and without all these systems that can fail and need costly repair.
#849 of 3623 Re: Congrats to the Engineers who ... [kernick]
Feb 06, 2010 (5:33 am)
>>This goes out to all auto manufacturers. Make the products simpler, less costly, and without all these systems that can fail and need costly repair.
Practically speaking, the only way to do this--and meet emissions and mileage requirements--would be to reduce engine size drastically. Few Americans want to drive a car with 1.2L engine.
The complex electronics on modern cars are necessary to reduce weight, improve mileage, clean up the exhaust, and still give Americans the size car and power they want.
#850 of 3623 Re: Just got my Gas Pedal Fixed for the Recal at Toyota Today and........... [gtgtcobra]
Feb 06, 2010 (5:40 am)
gtg....that's good news. Glad things seem to be "OK" and you have this behind you.
There may be a silver lining here. That is, I bet every other manufacturer out there is testing and retesting their accelerator and brake hardware/firmware/software to make certain they don't suffer the same fate as Toyota is suffering.
On a side note, the annual car show is coming up towards the end of this month in Cincinnati. I always attend. Wonder what Toyota/Lexus will be showing in their booths?
Camry? Corolla? Prius? ES350?
I'm sure it's too late to pull out of the show. But, I would think that the product mix is up to the manufacturers.
#851 of 3623 Re: Just got my Gas Pedal Fixed for the Recal at Toyota Today and........... [graphicguy]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Feb 06, 2010 (6:53 am)
I think prototypes, future vehicles, upcoming models, etc.. might be up to the manufacturers, but our local show in Cincinnati is run by the GCADA, the local car dealer's association...
For most of the makes, the local dealers supply the staffing and the vehicles..
I doubt the local Toyota dealers would want to be left out.... or, to not show 70% of their model line-up, which will be back on sale at their dealerships, shortly..
just my $0.02
#852 of 3623 Japanese Media Slam Toyota Chief for Crisis Response
Feb 06, 2010 (6:56 am)
Japanese Media Slam Toyota Chief for Crisis Responsee
TOKYO — Japanese media sharply criticized Toyota's president Saturday for what they called a delayed and unconvincing explanation for the massive car recall that has sullied the world's biggest automaker, a Japanese corporate icon.
Akio Toyoda, the founder's grandson appointed to lead Toyota Motor Corp. last June, emerged late Friday to apologize and address criticism that the company mishandled a crisis over sticking gas pedals. But he stopped short of ordering a recall for Toyota's iconic Prius hybrid over separate braking problems.
Toyoda's appearance before reporters at a company office in the central Japanese city of Nagoya made front pages of the country's leading newspapers — but won no praise.
"Words are not enough," the top Nikkei business daily commented in an editorial. "The company's crisis management ability is being subjected to severe scrutiny."
#853 of 3623 New Slogan: OH what a feeling you can't stop a Toyota!
Feb 06, 2010 (7:44 am)
WOW! Toyota designed a Christine! And not just one! 6.5 Million!
(Christine is a horror novel by Stephen King, published in 1983. It tells the story of a vintage automobile apparently possessed by supernatural forces.)
Here is an article from an engineering perspective:
'Toyota's latest woes may be hard-wired"
#854 of 3623 Re: Congrats to the Engineers who ... [kernick]
Feb 06, 2010 (7:46 am)
Obviously you have NEVER driven or worked on a model T.....
So simple it needed CONSTANT, daily, maintainance