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#552 of 3623 Re: Toyota woes [topgun7]
Feb 03, 2010 (10:11 am)
And electronic is being investigate as another possible cause of the WOT problem as well..
Feds investigate Toyota electronics for unintended acceleration
02/03/2010, 3:11 AMBy Mark Kleis
Not long after the dust seemingly settled on the investigation of the faulty pedals and floor mats causing unintended acceleration in millions of Toyotas, a new report is suggesting that the U.S. Department of Transportation is now looking into a possible electronics-based problem as another possible source of unintended acceleration. The unofficial investigation stems from the several cases of apparent unintended acceleration that have been documented without floor mats or pedals at fault.
Although the D.O.T., nor the National Highway Safety Transportation Safety Administration have formally launched an investigation into the possibility of a third source of unintended acceleration causes in Toyota vehicles, an anonymous source within the D.O.T. has reportedly confirmed that the third cause is in fact being considered.
Leftlane reported on January 15th that a Toyota Avalon owner had experienced unintended acceleration without a floor mat installed, and even managed to get the vehicle to a Toyota dealer with the vehicle still pegged at wide open throttle.
Upon arriving at the dealership, a Toyota mechanic was able to test the accelerator pedal’s range of movement with no affect on the throttle being applied by the engine. This incident seemed to have displayed the type of occurrence that is now reportedly being investigated.
The news that federal officials are looking into other possible causes for unintended acceleration may spawn new meaning to the quote Leftlane reported in a separate story earlier today, “We’re not finished with Toyota and are continuing to review possible defects and monitor the implementation of the recalls,” said Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.
When asked about the possibility of vehicle electronics playing a role in unintended acceleration cases, John Hanson, a Toyota spokesman, said he knew little about the expanded federal investigation.
Brian Lyons, a safety and quality communications manager for Toyota said, “We will continue to cooperate fully with NHTSA on all vehicle safety issues.”
#553 of 3623 Facts Please
Feb 03, 2010 (10:26 am)
Does anyone know how many actual complaints have been filed with the NHTSA about the Toyota gas pedal/sudden acceleration issue? And, what is the incidence of the problem? In other words, how many of the cars in question have actually exhibited, or are suspected to have exhibited, the problem or failure compared to the total universe of those cars in service.
#554 of 3623 Re: Transportation Sec'y: Don't Drive Recalled Toyotas [mikefm58]
Feb 03, 2010 (10:50 am)
Yes, unfortunately law suits become part of it all - some justified & some are not. 19 deaths and all the accidents - complaints - news media releases, high consumer internet use - etc. - issue has exploded.
CNN - just now LaHood changes advice. Seems like he now advises owners to call, get fixed ASAP. Still not certain how he addressed this "stop driving" advice he already gave? If he did, or he purposely avoided?
I own a Toyota and only recently joined to try to stayed informed. Have researched extensively. I do have one advantage understanding UA - my son does auto development/engineering computer software. He has helped me tremendously.
I had mentioned several times I had concerns no "lid" immediately put on this. Now we have what seems to be "turf protection" of all involved. Difficulty for consumers is - what is full truth?
UA has not been effectively handled for years by many manufacturers, DHSTA, etc. Some auto manufactuers have and their complaints now low. Then we have those who rise above others- over the years. This is not just a Toyota issue, but Toyota has purportedly 40% of all complaints. Ford, Chrysler, and ? appear to have more complaints too. Poor consumers don't even have accurate numbers of complaints - no official law mandated data base. Some complaints are at DHSTA, some Toyota, some with news. etc.
Is news media pressure good?? Yes, maybe it can be. Consumers may see DHSTA and all/slow to implement systems auto manufacturers finally do something about UA & it's risks. Has been present for many, many years.
UA in and of itself is huge human safety risk. Incidents do seem small when you compare to total number of autos sold. But high human safety risk should make/makes this complaint a top priority. Not only that - this includes issues risk exposure for costs vehicle damage, increased insurance costs, loss of salary, injury or even death as result of any accident, costs of any needed medical care,effect on DMV record. etc. I am an RN, my husband was CEO of ambulance company and past California EMS commisioner, my son is also an MD. Each of us have seen first hand what can happen to people in auto accidents.
I am sure you want human safety risks decreased. All of us do. I don't care if we own a BMW, Ford, Porsche, GM, Chrysler, Honda, etc. Safety first.
I realize many will say - well it's the owners. Human error should always be factored into development of auto systems for safety. We are all human, make mistakes, and statistics show humans react differently in emergency situations. I am sure most people feel for those poor people that have had this emergency situation. Smile - this is USA and we do have big hearts.
And there is a way to implement a brake override system to control UA issue - brake and acceleration in conflict. Brakes win. Acceleration forced back to idle.
Now everyone says - difficult. Each year auto manufacturer engineers develop/do engineering for each new model. They already have engineers that do all of this, and yes, it can undeniably be done. This can be added to older recall models as well. Once developed cost to Toyota would be minimal. Toyta owns the computer programs. Overhead cost is low. Computer flashing.
I am hoping I hear more positive news releases. Hope to see Toyota get more proactive now.
Since my vehicle is not in recall, Will I ask if I can get brake override system update? Sure plan to. Even if I have to pay for it.
#555 of 3623 Re: Transportation Sec'y: Don't Drive Recalled Toyotas [revit]
Feb 03, 2010 (10:50 am)
I hope you will have the decency to highlight the secretary's retraction of that misquoted statement?
but then, I am not holding my breath either,
#556 of 3623 Re: NEW ALERT - CNN - LAHOOD - STOP DRIVING RECALL MODELS [sharonkl]
Feb 03, 2010 (10:54 am)
on the basis that he is from the government, your right strategy would have been to discount, HEAVILY, whatever he said.
that would have been the winning strategy for you.
#557 of 3623 Pre crash responses
Feb 03, 2010 (10:55 am)
Does anyone know if any of the people involved in accidents they claimed were the result of uncontrollable acceleration respond by trying to shut the motor off or place the transmission in nuetral or did they just panic and stomp wildly on unresponsive brakes until they crashed? Could anyone direct me to a site that has documented these peoples experiences?
#558 of 3623 Re: Facts Please [carlupi]
Feb 03, 2010 (10:55 am)
please, why would you inject facts and rationale into a mass hysteria?
#559 of 3623 Re: Transportation Sec'y: Don't Drive Recalled Toyotas [revit]
Feb 03, 2010 (10:56 am)
What a buffoon! And, of course, LaHood quickly withdrew his "don't drive" advice, calling it "obviously a misstatement." Even loonier was his suggestion that everyone drive their cars to a Toyota dealer. What would that accomplish, other than clog up the surrounding streets?
Beating up on Toyota must look pretty attractive to politicians anxious to divert attention from their own failures to someone else.
Toyota may have a problem with a defective part, but that's less dangerous than politicians with more power than good sense.
#560 of 3623 Re: Pre crash responses [jdm9]
Feb 03, 2010 (10:56 am)
the answer to all of your qeustions is the same: none.
we just don't have good information about any of that, which is why we have this mass panic.
#561 of 3623 Re: Info - pedal - Consumers Reports - analysis statistics [wwest]
Feb 03, 2010 (11:03 am)
"It would be utterly stupid IMMHO to use the existing throttle control, engine/transaxle ECU control module, to implement a failsafe for preventing engine run-a-way."
it depends. there are always advantages and disadvantages with any approach. that's why some people are paid lots of money making those decisions and you aren't.
"Have a microprocessor "watch" the existing brake fluid pressure sensor and the EFI PWM pulse width."
again, it depends. I for one wouldn't want anything like that in my car - what if you do want to induce an oversteer in your car through braking and acceleration at the same time? that would be quite unsafe to have your engine throttle reduced to practically zero and you would have missed that sharp turn.
Again, hopefully the market will dictate what features we collectively want.
the fiction of "Germans have it so it must be good" is lemming thinking.
then, that's why Al Gore invented the internet for, right?