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Feb 03, 2010 (5:54 am)
Stanley Chesley files for class action suit against Toyota about runaway acceleration and slowness in reporting danger.
Never one to miss a good class action opportunity, Cincinnati's Stan Chesley is now involved.
Chesley is a Cincinnati attorney and the article is in the Enquirer, so most of the blog posts after it are from online Enquirer readers.
In among the raucous posts by believers after the above-linked article, is this one, typical of what the class action is really about:
This problem started before 2007. My daughter drives a 2005 Corolla and in 2006 she was pulling into a space in a parking garage. As she was pulling in and slowly took her foot off the brake the car shot forward and slammed into the concrete wall. She called me hysterical because the car shot forward so abrubtly, and the airbags did not deploy. She is actually lucky the wall was there and this hadn't happened on the expressway. We had the car towed to a Toyota dealership with $5,000 work of damage. We talked to several reps from Toyota and they claimed that they checked the computer to see if it indicated sudden acceleration, which "they say" did not, but NOW they are questioning the validity of the computer systems in the cars. In addition to this issue, the car didn't have floor mats on the driver's side. This whole story is sounding all too familiar and scares me to death because she still owns this car and drives her family in it. We have owned Toyotas since 1983, and this is totally unbelievable. There have been too many lives lost at this point. Something needs to be done NOW by Toyota bar all cost. Their reputation is on the line right now, and I don't like what I see.
#518 of 3593 Cars supposedly have this brake ovrride feature
Feb 03, 2010 (6:37 am)
Many here have asserted that those european brands, BMW, MB or VW, have this brake override feature where tapping on the brake will disengage the accelerator. I stated earlier that I could confirm that such feature didn't exist on my 330 and C55.
i would also add four names to that list of cars that supposed have but actually don't have this "feature", a 530 and a G37x. tapping on the brake does nothing to the accelerator at all.
two friends of mine tried on their S5 and GL450 and none of those vehicles have this feature that they are supposed to have, per our resident experts here.
#519 of 3593 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [revit]
Feb 03, 2010 (6:45 am)
"If this pedal thing really winds up being stray electronics or something like that, it could cost all the automakers big bucks to fix their systems. "
it depends on how the driving public wants to take this thing. All software is buggy. the only difference is that the more complicated, the buggier it is.
if the driving public has zero tolerance for any bug in the software, and the manufacturers would have no choice but to test the auto software as they do with avionics, well, you will end up paying a 737-class price for your Ford Focus.
if we take a reasonable approach and improve driver education, well, we will end up in a better place.
my advice to anyone with no tolerance to risk is NOT to live. there literally is no other way out.
the choice is collectively ours.
#520 of 3593 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [millwood0]
Feb 03, 2010 (6:49 am)
it depends on how the driving public wants to take this thing.
If this thing fixes the sudden accelerations where the pedals are not involved, who wouldn't "take this thing" one way and one way only?
This is Toyota's problem that needs to be addressed.
#521 of 3593 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [millwood0]
Feb 03, 2010 (6:57 am)
>my advice to anyone with no tolerance to risk is NOT to live. there literally is no other way out.
Are you suggesting suicide if someone doesn't have tolerance for risk?
Are you suggesting if someone doesn't think software/firmware in a car computer shouldn't be failsafe, they have only one way out?
I disagree. If there is a problem in the computer handling sensor input, there need to be checks that shut the computer's control down so it doesn't give full throttle acceleration from a dead stop with the accelator pedal untouched, e.g., such as during parking.
#523 of 3593 Re: Other Toyota Recalls [rockylee]
Feb 03, 2010 (7:13 am)
Oh my...that is definitely not what Toyota needs right now.
#524 of 3593 Re: Here come the wolfs [hackattack5]
Feb 03, 2010 (7:22 am)
Shoot, why not? They have cars they can't use but are still required to make payments on them. This is particularly troublesome if it's the only vehicle in the household.
#525 of 3593 Re: Other Toyota Recalls [rockylee]
Feb 03, 2010 (7:27 am)
I know it sounds brutal, but it boils down to the cost of the fix versus the cost of litigation. The two best examples I can think of are the Ford Pinto exploding gas tank and the Chevy truck exploding gas tank. Those would have required significant vehicle redesign to fix, multiply that by all of those vehicles on the road, and they felt it was cheaper to fight the lawsuits than fix. Quite brutal indeed. Their reputation for quality or lack thereof was not an issue as that takes a hit regardless. But Toyota's hit is different as their reputation for quality really is what sets them apart. The long term fallout for Toyota will be interesting.