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#497 of 3623 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [revit]
Feb 02, 2010 (7:57 pm)
2009 Toyota Corolla (myself) and a 2000 Lexus RX300 ( wifes) and still driving it every day concerned yes scared no. I have been telling people that if i didn't own a Toyota the right time to buy is coming. When they get this resolved the HOT deals will come out to get customers back. News and newspapers you cant belive everything you read on who said what when. Each one of the owners or non owners has to come to his own conclusion based on facts. The problem is what are the facts and what are the based on. We may never know.
Good luck with your Camry.
#498 of 3623 Re: Consumer Reports Video - Brake questions - How to stop your car [graphicguy]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:23 pm)
Glad to help you. Just passing along any research info I have bookmarked for people to review.
#499 of 3623 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [mnf]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:34 pm)
CNN had lots of incoming new headlines for awhile there. Lots of turf protection today it seems. Heat is on. Government investigations beginning. Threats of possible fine on Toyata. Etc. I am researching as much as I can. My son helps tremendously.
Good luck to you.
#500 of 3623 Re: brakes and neutral? [gagrice]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:38 pm)
Yes, think I am ready. And hope everyone talking about this encourages others to check and test too.
#501 of 3623 Re: brakes and neutral? [sharonkl]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:43 pm)
I think trying to simulate exactly an unexplained electronic event is impossible, but what you are doing is among the only things you can attempt, to become a better driver and increase your chances of surviving an unexplained acceleration. I do not think ANYONE should try this unless they are expert drivers with expert supervision in situations where there are NO obstacles or other vehichles. Its something that I had my daughter try, and then I had her just turn the key back to the first off position to let her feel how the brakes and the steering become much harder when the motor is shut off. What was really interesting was her reluctance /fear of trying it, which might explain why some folks panic if an electronic failure occurs, and they then subsequently really screw up. However After she tried and saw and felt that it wasnt so bad and that she actually had steering and brakes , she felt much more confident. This I beleive is good driver knowledge for anyone to add to their repertoire, and how WFO you have it when you try depends on your comfort level and the safety of the surrounding situation. Possibly someone can add their comments as to whether they think the computer that controls the WFO will allow you to back the key off one position when you re in an unexplained WFO position because obviously IF it wont allow you to cut the motor by backing off the key one position then learning to feel comfortable doing it is not going to help in an emergency unexplained WFO situation.
#502 of 3623 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [sharonkl]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Feb 02, 2010 (8:50 pm)
Heat is on
Other than the incentives, the other automakers seem to be playing it close to the vest.
Ford can't say much because they have the same problem with their Transit Connects they sell in China.
GM can't say much because the Vibe is on the same recall list as the Toyotas. Not to mention being preoccupied with Cobalt steering issues.
Hyundai better be paying attention to all the Sante Fe reports of similar problems.
Honda has non-US Fits catching fire because of a faulty switch.
And there's already been a bit of a backlash over the conquest incentives. (AutoObserver)
If this pedal thing really winds up being stray electronics or something like that, it could cost all the automakers big bucks to fix their systems.
#503 of 3623 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [steve_]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:07 pm)
Your right, if its mechenical and the pedal fix works, no big deal, business as usual, they all have screw ups, however , if it ends up being electronic, the whole works of them are quite inbred so that all or most carmakers would suffer, not just Toyota. I think what we are seeing is, live in a glass house ,,, dont throw stones. Besides no one really wins here. If there is an electronic problem and they admit it , they have big problems. If there is an electronic problem and they have not been forthcoming their problems will magnify. Ironic that it is really no different then life in general.
#504 of 3623 Re: brakes and neutral? [jdm9]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:28 pm)
Yes, making sure you could do this on your vehicle is important. At least I feel more comfortable now too. Thank you for sharing your daughters experience. I can most definitely see why she was apprehensive. So happy to hear she too feels in control.
Is her reaction a good learning lesson for all of us? Maybe help us to understand how frightened people must have been when they had UA???
#505 of 3623 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [steve_]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:36 pm)
Don't they get the Ford Transit Connects from Turkey? Kind of surprised they use the same throttle control.
The issue is still what about the Toyotas that did not have a stuck throttle and were SUA electronically? We have one taken to a dealer. The Toyota dealer replaced several components. Do we know which was the culprit? Did Lentz address that smoking gun? That should be the thrust of the NHTSA investigation. Toyota needs to tell the buyers what was stuck wide open with that vehicle. And WHY? Just replacing it does not fix the problem. It only sends the guy down the road with a new component that could fail in the same way. I wonder if Toyota even understands the impact this can have on their sales? Audi learned a lesson and was found innocent. Such is life.
#506 of 3623 Re: Toyota Resisted Safety Fix [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Feb 02, 2010 (9:42 pm)
It's another CTS pedal, but the news doesn't make clear if it's the one made in Ontario like the US/Toyota ones. That version of the Transit Connect is built there. CTS has plants in China I think.
Ford Stops Some China Vehicle Production (CBS)
The NHTSA will probably be hammered as hard as Toyota during the congressional hearings.