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#414 of 3623 San Diego News reporting death CHP officer and family accident killing all
Feb 02, 2010 (11:27 am)
Are we really getting the truth from Toyota? Seems like Toyota is only one who is doing the safety analysis. Toyota seems to claim information is proprietory information and must be kept secret. Please correct me if I am wrong. But this is what I have been reading in agency, etc. reports seen. Reports seem to say even our government safety agency leaves this investigation soley to auto manufcturer/s to do, and appears to rely/base decisions on information provided from auto manufacturer.
Can we trust Toyota statements, when they are only ones conducting investigative analysis? Would we trust any affected auto manufacturer? Unbiased professionals experts do not appear to involved/present during investigative testing process.
I am sending along this video plus a recent news report since the San Diego accident has been highly reported/mentioned for your review. Just found video of old TV News Report done at time of accident this morning. I have noticed many blogger reports differed. Hope this helps.
NOTE - THIS VEHICLE WAS A DEALERSHIP LOANER VEHICLE WHILE THEIR OWN VEHICLE WAS BEING REPAIRED. Listen again to report to verify.
CHP REPORT STATED VEHICLE WAS BURNED, FEELS CAUSE COULD BE FLOOR MATS, BUT COULD NOT RULE OUT ELECTRONIC THROTTLE SYSTEM OF DRIVE BY WIRE(COMPUTER SENSORS PART OF SYSTEM).
Below is link to You Tube news report made months ago when crash occurred.
Below is new New York Times Article, Jan 31, 2010 - appears to pretty much same as other news media releases and safety site reports I have seen:
The 911 call came at 6:35 p.m. on Aug. 28 from a car that was speeding out of control on Highway 125 near San Diego.
The caller, a male voice, was panic-stricken: “We’re in a Lexus ... we’re going north on 125 and our accelerator is stuck ... we’re in trouble ... there’s no brakes ... we’re approaching the intersection ... hold on ... hold on and pray ... pray ...”
The call ended with the sound of a crash.
The Lexus ES 350 sedan, made by Toyota, had hit a sport utility vehicle, careened through a fence, rolled over and burst into flames. All four people inside were killed: the driver, Mark Saylor, an off-duty California Highway Patrol officer, and his wife, daughter and brother-in-law.
It was the tragedy that forced Toyota, which had received more than 2,000 complaints of unintended acceleration, to step up its own inquiry, after going through multiple government investigations since 2002.
Yet only last week did the company finally appear to come to terms with the scope of the problem — after expanding a series of recalls to cover millions of vehicles around the world, incalculable damage to its once-stellar reputation for quality and calls for Congressional hearings.
With prodding from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Toyota halted production and sales of eight models, including its top-selling Camry sedan.
And late last week, the government allowed the company to go ahead to try yet another new fix for its vehicles, which it is expected to announce on Monday.
At almost every step that led to its current predicament, Toyota underestimated the severity of the sudden-acceleration problem affecting its most popular cars. It went from discounting early reports of problems to overconfidently announcing diagnoses and insufficient fixes.
Toyota is not only manufacturer that has problems. These other manufacturers are being very quiet it seems. Wish news media would also report the other manufacturers that seem to rise above all the other auto manufacturers in analysis graph comparing manufacturers over the last ten years.
Good luck everyone.
#415 of 3623 It's a shame he didn't take it out of gear.
Feb 02, 2010 (11:41 am)
And yes, you can shift from D to N whenever you like, I've done it to see. It's not recommended to coast out of gear on the road, but people do it save gas on long downhills. Google Georgia Overdrive.
And that TampaBay newspaper article was enlightening.
"Traffic investigators did note that they found two floor mats each on the driver and passenger side of the Camry. One was the original factory floor mat and another a hard plastic floor mat, cut to fit, and placed on top of the factory floor mat, part of which was covering the accelerator pedal."
How is this Toyota's fault? Should they give a test to the buyer before selling a car?
#416 of 3623 Re: It's a shame he didn't take it out of gear. [beachfish2]
Feb 02, 2010 (11:47 am)
You beat me to it, double floor mats??? What an idiot. The next thing I'll read is that the brake pedal wouldn't go down and it's Toyota's fault. Why? Gee, maybe because there were several empty beer bottles on the floor and one rolled underneath the brake pedal. Damn crappy Toyota brake design...*sarcasm*...
This thing has taken on a life of it's own.
#419 of 3623 Prsent Toyota models donot have brake Override Systems -
Feb 02, 2010 (12:20 pm)
Toyota does not have brake override systems on any of their models at present. Toyota will be installing Brake Override Systems on all new 2010 models soon or so they stated. Toyota announced all 2011 models will have Brake Override systems on Nov 25, 2009. Brake Override Systems - when acceleration and brakes conflict - engine forced back to idle.. Unexplained out of control accelleration incident complaints should drastically decrease with these systems. Safety issue seem they will be ressolved too. Anyone looking for new Toyota presently may want to make sure their vehicle is equipped with this system. Personally I'd wait just a little - it's coming quite soon.
#421 of 3623 Re: Consumer Reports Video - Brake questions - How to stop your car [sharonkl]
Feb 02, 2010 (12:35 pm)
sharonki and steve....nice finds. I think the consumer reports video kind of hits the nail on the head with a fundamental flaw in Toyota's system.
Steve....still not getting how the shim "fix" supposedly makes the accelerator pedal safer, since so many have reported even pulling the pedal with their foot, still didn't stop the acceleration.
It's my hope and prayer that Toyota has finally found the correct cause, and the correct fix. I just can't see where they have.
They say "no", it's not an electrical and/or software/firmware issue. Yet, all the evidence points to that.
After seeing the video with the guy testing floormats, and the strength of the accelerator spring, I don't see how Toyota can make any reasonable claim that it's floormats, in any configuration.
#422 of 3623 Re: It's a shame he didn't take it out of gear. [beachfish2]
Feb 02, 2010 (12:44 pm)
"..shift from D to N wheneevr you like.."
Yes, but that doesn't mean, in the end, that the gearbox will disenage from the current gear ratio. The engine/transaxle controlling ECU may not be monitoring the shifter's position switches.
The spring release drum type clutches within the transaxle may not release due to the HEAVY torque loading. The engine is ROARING at WOT while at the same time you have both feet and all the energy you can muster on the brake pedal. This effect might even be unique to FWD and F/awd vehicles.
Try to slip a manual transmission out of gear not using the clutch with a heavy torque loading on the gearbox. Pretty damn difficult...!
On the other hand with no torque loading the gearbox easily slips out of the current gear.