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#385 of 3623 Re: Planning to buy or sell a Toyota? Be prepared [revit]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:09 am)
We have some good friends that just traded their 2008 RAV4 on a 2007 Tacoma double cab. They never felt safe in the little RAV4. I thought it was ok the couple times I rode in it. They did not know about the Tacoma recall from last year. I made sure they did not have double mats to interfere with the accelerator. Nice truck and they love it. I think they could have played hard ball if they had known about the recall. They are happy and that is the main thing.
#386 of 3623 Re: We need advice [greennovice]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:19 am)
When I asked the Toyota person about the possibility of an electronic or computer problem, she offered no response. When I asked the person at NHTSA, he said both the pedal and the electronic/computer systems are being investigated.
My advice until you get answers, not the run around, just keep looking. One of the posters claims the 2010 Prius has over-ride installed at the factory. If Toyota reps cannot confirm this, I would be skeptical. Or you could ask the salesman to take you out in a demo model and hold the throttle wide open, then hit the brakes with the throttle held open. If the over ride works, I would feel safe buying the Prius.
#387 of 3623 Re: Another WHOOPS in my original message today [sharonkl]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:21 am)
What model do you have? I have a Sienna and have read about quite a few of the acceleration issues , with crashes, involved in this van..there are also complaints on the Nhtsa site ! So even tho it hasnt been on the recall list it should be and we should be able to get the " override fix" as well !
#388 of 3623 Re: Another WHOOPS in my original message today [flxmom]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:24 am)
So even tho it hasnt been on the recall list it should be and we should be able to get the " override fix" as well !
Keep pushing your dealer in that direction. Remember it took a tragic accident for Toyota to do anything. You don't want to be the victim.
#389 of 3623 Re: We need advice [greennovice]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:35 am)
Help -- any thoughts are appreciated.
It depends on what your major concerns are. If it is that you're concerned with the safety of the vehicle, then I would say go ahead with your purchase. Even if I had one of the affected vehicles, and even if it did its full blown throttle acceleration, it is still easy to stop the car. As articles have already mentioned, apply firm brake pressure, using 2 feet if needed, put the shifter in neutral, and pull over. I know that your 2010 Prius is not one of the vehicles mentioned, but that doesn't matter, still easy to stop.
But if you have concerns about resale in general, then you may want to hold off, as that chapter is just starting. Obviously, one of the affected vehicles will take a hit, especially in the short term. But we still don't know about other Toyota vehicles. I have 3 Toyotas in my family in model years 2004-2006, and am concerned if their resale value will be affected by all this.
#390 of 3623 Re: brake override [millwood0]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:37 am)
I've owned 5 or 6 rear wheel drive performance cars, all GM, from 1985 to 2005.
(Z28s / GTO). With all of their furious power and torque, the brakes remained stronger than the engine, thus there is no need for an electronic brake-override - because the mechanical override works fine.
People commonly "brake torque" these cars, sometimes for faster launch, sometimes to intentionally churn the rear tires while remaining stopped, to heat the tires or to impress bystanders :|
seems like it is only in these modern vehicles where the mechanical-override is not as 'guaranteed' as before, that brake-override electronics would be helpful?
fwiw, in any car *without* "electronic brake override" , the old-school "mechanical brake override" could fail if the brakes overheated.
#393 of 3623 Re: We need advice [greennovice]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:49 am)
where was this crash with the Sienna? I own an 09! thanks
#394 of 3623 Re: brake override [elias]
Feb 02, 2010 (8:51 am)
"the brakes remained stronger than the engine,"
my point exactly. Not a single report on those accidents mentioned what the drivers were doing with their brakes.
"seems like it is only in these modern vehicles where the mechanical-override is not as 'guaranteed' as before, that brake-override electronics would be helpful? "
if you read Toyota's response, they clearly stated that with the accelerator fully pressed, you CAN stop the car using the brakes alone.
There is NO engine that I am aware of that can overcome the torque from a functioning brake, those Toyota's included.
If anyone can find a contrary example, I am all ears.