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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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What is this discussion about? Toyota Camry, Toyota RAV4, Toyota Highlander, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Avalon, Toyota Tundra, Toyota Sequoia, Pontiac Vibe, Automotive News

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#3419 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [motorcity6] by roho1

Aug 07, 2010 (7:54 am)

Replying to: motorcity6 (Aug 05, 2010 1:40 pm)
Discussed before but just for the record here is the list of the highest domestic part content vehicles for 2010, so how does UAW twist these facts.
1. Toyota Camry Georgetown, Ky.
2. Honda Accord Marysville, Ohio;
3. Ford Escape Kansas City, Mo.
4. Ford Focus Wayne, Mich.
5. Chevrolet Malibu Kansas City, Kan.
6. Honda Odyssey Lincoln, Ala.
7. Dodge Ram 1500* Warren, Mich.
8. Toyota Tundra San Antonio
9. Jeep Wrangler Toledo, Ohio
10. Toyota Sienna Princeton, Ind.
from cars.com

#3420 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [roho1] by gagrice

Aug 07, 2010 (8:33 am)

Replying to: roho1 (Aug 07, 2010 7:54 am)
They pursue the workers in the toyota factories to join the UAW.
 
Any statistics on the actual percentage of US content? I know it keeps getting less. And the UAW is a big reason more D3 vehicles are being built elsewhere.

#3421 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [roho1] by explorerx4

Aug 07, 2010 (3:02 pm)

Replying to: roho1 (Aug 07, 2010 7:54 am)
1 fender (offshore), 1 fender liner (offshore), 8 fasteners (domestic). 80% domestic content.

#3422 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [explorerx4] by roho1

Aug 07, 2010 (3:58 pm)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Aug 07, 2010 3:02 pm)
You may not be far off. After reading more into this domestic content issue, there is no std. way of counting.
Even NHTSA points out that the declared North American content of identical cars could theoretically range from 11 to 53 percent, depending on whether the parts suppliers are independent or owned by an automaker.
An old example used is a Delco battery in a Geo Prizm counts toward the vehicle's North American content (because Delco is owned by GM), while the same battery installed on a Toyota Corolla-in the same plant-doesn't.
Even the list I posted is massaged by cars.com and they don't reveal the formula only to say the contribution to the economy is factored in.
This all seems like a waste of time and effort. We live in Global economy now and it isn't about to change. The 50's are over.

#3423 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [roho1] by kyfdx HOST

Aug 07, 2010 (4:05 pm)

Replying to: roho1 (Aug 07, 2010 3:58 pm)
I can see how you could fudge what country a part is coming from, or what percent of the part is domestic... But, it doesn't seem that they would count the number of parts to determine the percentage..
 
Logically, you would think dollar value would determine the percentages... So, 80% domestic would mean that 80% of the total value of parts would be domestic (whatever domestic means)...

#3424 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [kyfdx] by gagrice

Aug 07, 2010 (4:14 pm)

Replying to: kyfdx (Aug 07, 2010 4:05 pm)
Some charts consider domestic as North America. Which includes Canada and Mexico. I agree that it should be value based on parts. Yet when you look at a circuit board assembled in the USA it may have components from 30 countries. True content rating would be a nightmare. I would like to buy US made products. I am not going to take a financial beating to do so.

#3425 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [roho1] by houdini1

Aug 08, 2010 (6:11 am)

Replying to: roho1 (Aug 07, 2010 7:54 am)
Thank you for posting that chart, it is very revealing.
 
Notice how many people tried to downplay the main purpose of the chart by nit picking about minor issues while remaining silent on the blockbuster information that shows the Toyota Camry is #1 in domestic content.
 
Obama and the U.A.W. must be seething at information like this. The U.A.W. won't rest until they can ruin Toyota also, so expect more attacks on Toyota.

#3426 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [houdini1] by kq0b1

Aug 08, 2010 (7:09 am)

Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 08, 2010 6:11 am)
Yes the Camry is the sole seller competing against many US models. The Avalon is still selling and their commercials have picked up on the airways. Bumper to to bumper warranties from the dealers are increasing to 100k on the drive train for the Toyota. Honda has buried its head in the sand.
 
Ask yourself why do so many complain when the Toyota is made in America by our workers.
 
This is getting like the computer commercials where PC are waged against Macs.
 
Surely could it be the fact that the Japanese and Koreans operate their factories in Right to Work States could be an issue? Is competition so bad with America Top 3 that it now resorts to bashing its foreign competition? In commercials the top three US car manufactures compare themselves to Foreign cars and not themselves. Look at the commercials. Does Toyota compare itself to Honda or let alone US cars -- NO. I guess if you are smart you don't admit you have a competitor to your product if you are number 1.
 
I have owned all three of American cars times over but the sweet ride of my Avalon can only be compared to my old Park Avenue. Behind Toyota I would rank the US cars as follows: Chevy/GMC Ford Chrysler. Ford I respect more because they did not participate in the bail out. Chevy and Chrysler have been pimped by big daddy government.
 
Ask a Toyota owner what he/she likes about their car and you will get resell value with dependability/reliability being mentioned. Look for Kia and Hyundai to start selling more cars than the US builders due to their warranties. I think Chrysler in the long run will not make it, but time will tell.

#3427 of 3593 Re: Follow the Money-----Very Simple [kq0b1] by gagrice

Aug 08, 2010 (7:20 am)

Replying to: kq0b1 (Aug 08, 2010 7:09 am)
Ask yourself why do so many complain when the Toyota is made in America by our workers.
 
That is a political issue, pushed by a Pro Union government. I don't think it is related to the issue of SUA. That got rolling with one high profile accident. The complaints over the last 10 years to Toyota were generally ignored by the NHTSA and Toyota. So when it burst into flames it was a big fire.
 
I personally bought a Sequoia, and the fact it was built in the USA was a deciding factor. I think it is great that Toyota builds so many vehicles in the USA. Hopefully they can keep their workers happy, so the UAW does not get their tentacles into the operation. That will send Toyota packing.

#3428 of 3593 Electronic problems were not to blame by steve_ HOST

Aug 10, 2010 (4:54 pm)

NHTSA Finds No Evidence of Electronic Glitches in 58 Toyota Crashes (Straightline)

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