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#3348 of 3623 Re: [houdini1]
Jul 29, 2010 (11:25 am)
The problem for toyota is they have not improved like Ford has. If you take a look at the IIHS statistics the latest data has the toyota Camry above average on insurance claims and the Ford Explorer well below average for the same. That includes a much better chance of survival in a collision driving the Explorer. That is before you factor in the unknown chance of SUA, which Toyota is King of the UA.
#3349 of 3623 Re: [gagrice]
Jul 29, 2010 (11:52 am)
Lets not forget that while the Explorer is (was) RWD the Camry is a patently UNSAFE FWD vehicle. Makes the Explorer a much more stable platform, more benign handling, on adverse roadbed conditions.
Jul 29, 2010 (12:39 pm)
Thanks for posting that info.
Under the Insurance Institute's TOP SAFETY PICKS, for Mid Size SUVS, I don't see the Explorer listed at all, but I do see the Lexus RX, the Toyota Venza, and the Toyota Highlander !
Also wwest, nearly all the top safety picks are either front wheel drive or all wheel drive. Very, very few rear wheel drive cars made the list.
#3351 of 3623 Re: [houdini1]
Jul 29, 2010 (2:21 pm)
Not sure which chart you are looking at. The RX has a 103 rating which is worse than average for the segment lux SUVs. While the Explorer 4WD has a 73 cost rating. Far better the average. The Camry is also rated poor for their group. If you are going by crash test ratings. Good luck when you get hit in a Camry by a large PU truck. The only ratings that count are how people fared in actual accidents. The charts I posted give you that information to compare.
Jul 29, 2010 (2:57 pm)
maybe you don't care, but the buyers do. that's my point.
Jul 29, 2010 (2:57 pm)
can you back that up? even through the rollover 'era' it had a great overall safety record. check the congressional records of the hearings.
have you gotten your recall letter(s) yet?
Jul 29, 2010 (3:51 pm)
NHTSA and whomever else compiles safety data somehow overlooks SUA when they figure up toyota safety particulars. Humm. Nasty business practices are existing all over.
Jul 29, 2010 (5:37 pm)
Apparently you don't know how to read your own chart. Insurance costs don't have much to do with passenger safety. It is the cost to repair the vehicle. Of course it costs more to repair a Lexus than an Explorer. You should know that without looking at a chart.
#3356 of 3623 Re: [explorerx4]
Jul 29, 2010 (5:47 pm)
If you want back up do your own research. Surely you know how to google.
We should be getting a recall notice on the 07 LX sometime in August on the steering column retaining clamp or something like that. We haven't had any problems for the 38,000 miles we've driven the truck so far. If only Ford was that conscientious a lot of lives would have been saved.
Jul 29, 2010 (6:18 pm)
that's my point. the other brands that have been the subject of derision over the years for their recalls are just the same. the actual affected vehicles are very few.
the numbers of them recalled can be large due to the number sold.
looking at the number of deaths, there are a lots more Fords out there than Toyota's, so of course the raw number of deaths are going to be higher.
the Ford/Firestone recall and how it was handled, was the catalyst for the response to these multi brand recalls that have happened since then.
Toy/Lex is just another brand having to march to that same drummer now.