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#3294 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [beachfish2]
Jul 20, 2010 (12:32 pm)
As early as 2002, Toyota warned its dealers through a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) that certain models of its cars could experience engine surging and that an electronic recalibration was necessary to fix the problem. The document appears to fly in the face of recent testimony from Toyota that the company has never found a defect in its electronic throttle control system that has caused unintended acceleration.
The TSB, issued on August 30, 2002, entitled "ECM Calibration Update: 1 MZ-FE Engine Surging" stated that "Some 2002 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 1MZ-FE engine may exhibit a surging during light throttle input at speeds between 38-42 MPH with lock-up (l/U) 'ON.' The engine control module (ECM) calibration has been revised to correct this condition."
While the report was brought to light by Congressman Bart Stupak, D-Mich., prior to the U.S. House Energy Subcommittee on Oversight in late February and first reported on by Automotive News, the actual document had not circulated until this week. CNN began circulating the TSB on its website and through a new report which aired on the channel last night.
For those in denial about Toyota surging try this google search, it has 4.46 Million links.
My 2007 Sequoia surges forward when stopped, it I don't keep a firm foot on the brakes.
#3295 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [gagrice]
Jul 20, 2010 (12:49 pm)
Gary's link says, "The document appears to fly in the face of recent testimony from Toyota that the company has never found a defect in its electronic throttle control system that has caused unintended acceleration."
"surge" and "unintended acceleration" are completely different animals.
#3296 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [larsb]
Jul 20, 2010 (1:04 pm)
Apparently not to Gary. I have owned numerous vehicles that would ease forward when idling if the ac compressor cycled. I certainly don't remember having to jam on the brakes to prevent any of them from rocketing forward as Gary claims. He has been known to exaggerate just a tad from time to time. You can google most anything and get quite a few hits.
Looking more and more like driver error and/or outright attempted scams. Sorry folks, looks like you will have to get an honest job because that big payday courtesy of Toyota just is not going to happen.
#3297 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [houdini1]
Jul 20, 2010 (3:41 pm)
Sorry folks, looks like you will have to get an honest job because that big payday courtesy of Toyota just is not going to happen.
Aw C'mon, that is the new American way. Take from the Haves and give to the Have Nots.
I did not make much of the way my Sequoia EASES forward as the AC cycles until I bought this 2008 Nissan Frontier. The AC kicks in seamlessly with no rise in RPM. Toyota needs to go back to the drawing board. It may not be a big thing, they all add up to a less sophisticated driving experience. I love that Nissan V6 PU. I have only driven the Sequoia once since April when I bought the PU truck. I hated my Ford Ranger V6 PU truck. It was gutless. This V6 PU will run circles around the V8 in my Sequoia. Without surging when sitting at idle.
I was responding to a Toyota is perfect in every way post. Which does get me going.
#3298 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [gagrice]
Jul 20, 2010 (4:46 pm)
I have two Lexus vehicles that also don't have any surging issues. I love those Frontier pick ups and would get one if I could possibly justify it. Glad you like yours.
#3299 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [houdini1]
Jul 20, 2010 (4:59 pm)
I bought a new Datsun PU in 1970 and loved it as well. Then bought a 1976 Datsun PU that was a POC. So this is the first shot I have given Nissan since 1976. They have done a fine job on that drive train. This truck is head and shoulders above my buddies 2007 Tacoma.
Our 1990 LS400 does not surge either. It still runs like a Swiss watch. I wish it would break so I could justify another vehicle to take its place in the garage. It would not be a Lexus or Toyota. Nor a Honda. Not sure what I would replace it with.
Jul 20, 2010 (5:23 pm)
One in a series:
"In response to recent quality issues/recalls, Toyota has dispatched its Swift Market Analysis Response Team (SMARTs) to follow up on approximately 3,600 complaints. What was once a five-minute phone call is now two technicians sent, within 72 hours -- and often in 24 hours or less -- to investigate a report. No mysterious unintended acceleration issues have been found as a result of SMART investigations, though the well-publicized floor-mat and pedal issues have been confirmed, Toyota said. Many of the alleged unintended acceleration incidents are different issues altogether, such as an idle-up when the air conditioning is running, Toyota said. Toyota adamantly said SMART investigators found no defects in its Electronic Throttle Control System with Intelligence (ETCS-i)."
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar. (Edmunds Daily)
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Day Two
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Day Three
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Q&A with Akio Toyoda
#3301 of 3623 Re: Toyota Safety [steve_]
Jul 20, 2010 (6:54 pm)
Many of the alleged unintended acceleration incidents are different issues altogether, such as an idle-up when the air conditioning is running, Toyota said.
Does Toyota plan to fix that in its vehicles or just continue to tell their customers " that is the way it was poorly engineered"?
#3302 of 3623 Re: Toyota Safety [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 20, 2010 (8:36 pm)
They could shut down the AC at idle. That'll help sell a lot of cars in Boise and Phoenix.
#3303 of 3623 You are direct and to the point gagrice...
Jul 20, 2010 (10:13 pm)
Surging at a stop is not a good selling point. I don't recall the Toyota salesman saying be sure and keep your foot on the brake when at a stoplight or you may ram the person in front of you. It may be common sense to do that and I do. It is still a defective design by Toyota.
And I respect that a lot more than these Toyota churchboys who still, after all the engine sludge, SUA and idle-surge slop and cover-up, won't admit that their Toyota's were and are poorly designed.
It recalls Captain Smith's attitude about the Titanic, the poor Schlumpf was a respected large ship captain from Europe. Lots and lots of experience he had gained and in fact he was going to retire upon docking at NYC harbor. Incredible.
"Captain, what do you make of all the reports of icebergs all over the North Atlantic, well in our path?"
"No problem, no problem at all. In fact, I've ordered the last two boilers be lit. We're speeding up!"
He said it with complete and utter glee in his voice. That man could've thrown one hell of a party in NYC upon arriving. Instead he sadly had ta go down with the once glorious ocean liner Titanic, sunk on her first voyage!
It's the poster child for being cautious and opening your ears up ta even possible reports of danger. If you were warned of a tornado in the mid-Missouri Ozarks, would you laugh at The Weather Channel? I wouldn't. Not for a second.
Similarly, there's something awry going on with Toyota automobile nerve-center electronics.
You Toyota Captain Smith's are drinking way too much Toyota Kool-Aide. Is it blue raspberry? Or tantalizing lemon?