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#3291 of 3623 Re: Worried about buying 2010 Highlander [karie23]
Jul 19, 2010 (12:31 pm)
By all means, if you are worried enough to find the Edmund's forums, join up, find this particular forum, then make your first, and so far, only post then you are definitely too worried to buy a Toyota.
Actually you probably should not be driving at all if you are that easily frightened, as I think all the brands have been involved in fatal accidents over the years.
Oh, and I guess you forgot to mention the epilepsy thing.
#3292 of 3623 Re: Worried about buying 2010 Highlander [houdini1]
Jul 19, 2010 (2:39 pm)
WOW...excuse me for not being so emotionally attached to an automotive company so much that I would put my child's life or my own in a vehicle that has been reported to take off like a drunken rocket with us in it on any given day of the week. After coming upon this incident, I personally called Toyota's customer service departmant (got the # from toyota.com) and talked with a man that was brutally honest to my surprise. While he couldn't give me details about any one specific accident, he could legally tell me that YES, in fact they are strill receiving reports of SUA in the 2010 Highlanders from consumers. This was enough for me to get over the suv of my dreams whether it saddens me or not!!! Maybe the chances are slim of it happening to the one that I drive off the lot, but I'm just not willing to take that risk. Maybe these folks will have their act together by the time I buy my next suv.
Plain and simple...I prayed about buying the most safe and relaible car to transport my family...The next day, this story about the mom in Fort Worth fell in my lap.
#3293 of 3623 Who dreams up this stuff?
Jul 20, 2010 (11:12 am)
"Most of the posters here are in denial concerning any kind of electronic failures with Toyota. Even though most will admit their Toyota electronics are less than up to standard. Surging at a stop is not a good selling point. "
- Most are not in denial, you are paranoid or a conspiracy theorist or something..
- What electronic failures?
- The electronics in my '06 Avalon are fine as are the ones in my '10 Highlander.
- None of my Toyotas, going back as far as a new '86 Camry LE and a '94 LE, have surged at a stop.
In other words, what are you talking about?
P.S. - Somebody compared the Saylor wreck with the woman dying and said the wrecks were similar. That's why I mentioned her epilepsy - because the poster said they were similar. Jeez, nevermind. Am I typing in English????
#3294 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [beachfish2]
Jul 20, 2010 (12:32 pm)
As early as 2002, Toyota warned its dealers through a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) that certain models of its cars could experience engine surging and that an electronic recalibration was necessary to fix the problem. The document appears to fly in the face of recent testimony from Toyota that the company has never found a defect in its electronic throttle control system that has caused unintended acceleration.
The TSB, issued on August 30, 2002, entitled "ECM Calibration Update: 1 MZ-FE Engine Surging" stated that "Some 2002 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 1MZ-FE engine may exhibit a surging during light throttle input at speeds between 38-42 MPH with lock-up (l/U) 'ON.' The engine control module (ECM) calibration has been revised to correct this condition."
While the report was brought to light by Congressman Bart Stupak, D-Mich., prior to the U.S. House Energy Subcommittee on Oversight in late February and first reported on by Automotive News, the actual document had not circulated until this week. CNN began circulating the TSB on its website and through a new report which aired on the channel last night.
For those in denial about Toyota surging try this google search, it has 4.46 Million links.
My 2007 Sequoia surges forward when stopped, it I don't keep a firm foot on the brakes.
#3295 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [gagrice]
Jul 20, 2010 (12:49 pm)
Gary's link says, "The document appears to fly in the face of recent testimony from Toyota that the company has never found a defect in its electronic throttle control system that has caused unintended acceleration."
"surge" and "unintended acceleration" are completely different animals.
#3296 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [larsb]
Jul 20, 2010 (1:04 pm)
Apparently not to Gary. I have owned numerous vehicles that would ease forward when idling if the ac compressor cycled. I certainly don't remember having to jam on the brakes to prevent any of them from rocketing forward as Gary claims. He has been known to exaggerate just a tad from time to time. You can google most anything and get quite a few hits.
Looking more and more like driver error and/or outright attempted scams. Sorry folks, looks like you will have to get an honest job because that big payday courtesy of Toyota just is not going to happen.
#3297 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [houdini1]
Jul 20, 2010 (3:41 pm)
Sorry folks, looks like you will have to get an honest job because that big payday courtesy of Toyota just is not going to happen.
Aw C'mon, that is the new American way. Take from the Haves and give to the Have Nots.
I did not make much of the way my Sequoia EASES forward as the AC cycles until I bought this 2008 Nissan Frontier. The AC kicks in seamlessly with no rise in RPM. Toyota needs to go back to the drawing board. It may not be a big thing, they all add up to a less sophisticated driving experience. I love that Nissan V6 PU. I have only driven the Sequoia once since April when I bought the PU truck. I hated my Ford Ranger V6 PU truck. It was gutless. This V6 PU will run circles around the V8 in my Sequoia. Without surging when sitting at idle.
I was responding to a Toyota is perfect in every way post. Which does get me going.
#3298 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [gagrice]
Jul 20, 2010 (4:46 pm)
I have two Lexus vehicles that also don't have any surging issues. I love those Frontier pick ups and would get one if I could possibly justify it. Glad you like yours.
#3299 of 3623 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [houdini1]
Jul 20, 2010 (4:59 pm)
I bought a new Datsun PU in 1970 and loved it as well. Then bought a 1976 Datsun PU that was a POC. So this is the first shot I have given Nissan since 1976. They have done a fine job on that drive train. This truck is head and shoulders above my buddies 2007 Tacoma.
Our 1990 LS400 does not surge either. It still runs like a Swiss watch. I wish it would break so I could justify another vehicle to take its place in the garage. It would not be a Lexus or Toyota. Nor a Honda. Not sure what I would replace it with.
Jul 20, 2010 (5:23 pm)
One in a series:
"In response to recent quality issues/recalls, Toyota has dispatched its Swift Market Analysis Response Team (SMARTs) to follow up on approximately 3,600 complaints. What was once a five-minute phone call is now two technicians sent, within 72 hours -- and often in 24 hours or less -- to investigate a report. No mysterious unintended acceleration issues have been found as a result of SMART investigations, though the well-publicized floor-mat and pedal issues have been confirmed, Toyota said. Many of the alleged unintended acceleration incidents are different issues altogether, such as an idle-up when the air conditioning is running, Toyota said. Toyota adamantly said SMART investigators found no defects in its Electronic Throttle Control System with Intelligence (ETCS-i)."
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar. (Edmunds Daily)
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Day Two
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Day Three
Toyota Safety and Quality Seminar: Q&A with Akio Toyoda