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#3286 of 3593 Re: Worried about buying 2010 Highlander [larsb]
Jul 19, 2010 (10:21 am)
Where would you suggest I post a Toyota accident that looks mighty suspicious? Most of the posters here are in denial concerning any kind of electronic failures with Toyota. Even though most will admit their Toyota electronics are less than up to standard. Surging at a stop is not a good selling point. I don't recall the Toyota salesman saying be sure and keep your foot on the brake when at a stoplight or you may ram the person in front of you. It may be common sense to do that and I do. It is still a defective design by Toyota. So now we have another possible Saylor situation and you don't want to hear about it. Hmmmmm
#3287 of 3593 Re: Saylor had seizures too? [beachfish2]
Jul 19, 2010 (10:26 am)
Pretty far fetched I would say. Don't you think the brother-in-law would have mentioned that when talking to the 911 operator. Having been married to an epileptic it is not something hard to detect. A seizure takes over all muscle control and incapacitates the victim. Sounds like the Toyota spin folks are out in force on this one.
#3288 of 3593 Re: Worried about buying 2010 Highlander [gagrice]
Jul 19, 2010 (10:30 am)
Seizures are nasty beasts. I had two of them back several years back. You are completely unconscious and wake up slowly with someone else telling you what happened.
Not saying that is what happened here but it's a piece of the story.
in NJ one seizure immediately suspends your drivers license and a neurologist has to sign off on letting you back on the road. If you have a second within a year it's suspended a year and continues until you go a whole year without one. In Pennsylvania the first one gets you that year off. They're nothing to dismiss lightly,
#3289 of 3593 Re: Worried about buying 2010 Highlander [fezo]
Jul 19, 2010 (11:22 am)
It is very possible that the lady in TX had a seizure. Not the CHP Saylor in CA. And you having suffered know it takes a while to regain any of your faculties. It was scary the first time my wife had one. She was able to control it with medication. You can lose your license and as a teacher my ex-wife could have lost her teaching job. She is now on full disability as a result.
#3290 of 3593 Re: Worried about buying 2010 Highlander [gagrice]
Jul 19, 2010 (11:35 am)
Oh, yeah. The Saylor case is something completely different.
I was fortunate in that they figured out what caused mine. Actually the second was from a side effect from - of all things - the anti-seizure drug I was on. The root problem was a clotting factor disorder. I'm on coumadin for that.
Amazingly despite this, a bone marrow problem, a blind eye, arthritis since I was a kid and a host of other issues they haven't seen fit to disable me.
Waking from a seizure is a pretty surreal experience. For the first one I was in my living room one moment and the next thing I knew I'm looking up at the lights in the ER. For the second one I was in the ER when I had it. Because of tests they'd already done they were going to admit me and at one point I ask my wife what's taking so long and she say because of the seizure they needed to get a space on the neurology floor. I say it's been 13 months since the seizure and she says - no, the one you had tonight. News to me!
#3291 of 3593 Re: Worried about buying 2010 Highlander [karie23]
Jul 19, 2010 (1:31 pm)
By all means, if you are worried enough to find the Edmund's forums, join up, find this particular forum, then make your first, and so far, only post then you are definitely too worried to buy a Toyota.
Actually you probably should not be driving at all if you are that easily frightened, as I think all the brands have been involved in fatal accidents over the years.
Oh, and I guess you forgot to mention the epilepsy thing.
#3292 of 3593 Re: Worried about buying 2010 Highlander [houdini1]
Jul 19, 2010 (3:39 pm)
WOW...excuse me for not being so emotionally attached to an automotive company so much that I would put my child's life or my own in a vehicle that has been reported to take off like a drunken rocket with us in it on any given day of the week. After coming upon this incident, I personally called Toyota's customer service departmant (got the # from toyota.com) and talked with a man that was brutally honest to my surprise. While he couldn't give me details about any one specific accident, he could legally tell me that YES, in fact they are strill receiving reports of SUA in the 2010 Highlanders from consumers. This was enough for me to get over the suv of my dreams whether it saddens me or not!!! Maybe the chances are slim of it happening to the one that I drive off the lot, but I'm just not willing to take that risk. Maybe these folks will have their act together by the time I buy my next suv.
Plain and simple...I prayed about buying the most safe and relaible car to transport my family...The next day, this story about the mom in Fort Worth fell in my lap.
#3293 of 3593 Who dreams up this stuff?
Jul 20, 2010 (12:12 pm)
"Most of the posters here are in denial concerning any kind of electronic failures with Toyota. Even though most will admit their Toyota electronics are less than up to standard. Surging at a stop is not a good selling point. "
- Most are not in denial, you are paranoid or a conspiracy theorist or something..
- What electronic failures?
- The electronics in my '06 Avalon are fine as are the ones in my '10 Highlander.
- None of my Toyotas, going back as far as a new '86 Camry LE and a '94 LE, have surged at a stop.
In other words, what are you talking about?
P.S. - Somebody compared the Saylor wreck with the woman dying and said the wrecks were similar. That's why I mentioned her epilepsy - because the poster said they were similar. Jeez, nevermind. Am I typing in English????
#3294 of 3593 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [beachfish2]
Jul 20, 2010 (1:32 pm)
As early as 2002, Toyota warned its dealers through a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) that certain models of its cars could experience engine surging and that an electronic recalibration was necessary to fix the problem. The document appears to fly in the face of recent testimony from Toyota that the company has never found a defect in its electronic throttle control system that has caused unintended acceleration.
The TSB, issued on August 30, 2002, entitled "ECM Calibration Update: 1 MZ-FE Engine Surging" stated that "Some 2002 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 1MZ-FE engine may exhibit a surging during light throttle input at speeds between 38-42 MPH with lock-up (l/U) 'ON.' The engine control module (ECM) calibration has been revised to correct this condition."
While the report was brought to light by Congressman Bart Stupak, D-Mich., prior to the U.S. House Energy Subcommittee on Oversight in late February and first reported on by Automotive News, the actual document had not circulated until this week. CNN began circulating the TSB on its website and through a new report which aired on the channel last night.
For those in denial about Toyota surging try this google search, it has 4.46 Million links.
My 2007 Sequoia surges forward when stopped, it I don't keep a firm foot on the brakes.
#3295 of 3593 Re: Who dreams up this stuff? [gagrice]
Jul 20, 2010 (1:49 pm)
Gary's link says, "The document appears to fly in the face of recent testimony from Toyota that the company has never found a defect in its electronic throttle control system that has caused unintended acceleration."
"surge" and "unintended acceleration" are completely different animals.