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#3122 of 3623 The Trade ...My ex 2009 Toyota Corolla vs my 2008 Subaru.. [wwest]
May 14, 2010 (8:22 am)
Ok, I have now had a few days of "living" with the Subaru Outback after about 2 years with the Toyota Corolla XLE. I know the Subaru is a different class of vehicle (plus about $6000 on the new price sticker) and I am not going to knock the Toyota! Also I am surprised at myself for going from an 09 backwards to an 08...(what's in a year though, its all condition, miles driven and any new innovations!)
I did take a bit of bashing in the checkbook but expected it, as I would in trading any other 2 yr old car! (A bit more since the furor has not died down)
Some observations though. The Subaru (had 23,500 miles when I bought it, and is the mid trim level vs the Toyota's "XLE-upper" trim level), not to mention the added weight and AWD feel. The Corolla DEFINITELY had a much Looser road feel , probably somewhat due to the EPS on the Toyota's (wonder if the Subaru has EPS but I doubt it) and overall tightness somewhat due to the heavier feel BUT, the Outback definitely felt better overall and had a much more solid feel.
One thing that is a real standout though is the quality of the interior parts and materials that Subaru uses. The Toyota had a much more "hardness" to its plastic interior than the Outback had, and overall the Subaru's fit and finish (even after 2+ years). The Subaru had an "older" feel to it...that is reminiscent of cars built 5yrs+ ago.
I have heard that the outback is great in the snow...we will see next winter! I will say that the stability control/trac in the Toyota did make it feel pretty good for a 2 WD compact (The Subaru does not have Stability control/trac, although I think the AWD will more than make up for it! (LOL).
In parting, the Subaru had a higher center of gravity which was noticeable! I hope you will wish me well and I will not be a Toyota basher....ever. Cars are just being built cheaper these days and IMHO have way to much electronics in them!. Will hang arounf the forum for a while as some of my family members and friends have Toyotas
#3123 of 3623 Re: If anyone cares [mickeyrom]
May 14, 2010 (7:50 am)
Wow...that is pretty bad looking!
I did the shimmy recall fix, did not like the "feel", and had an entirely new pedal installed (it looked identical to the old one ). I would have had a fit if they did that to mine! Toyota does not seem to have learned a thing and maybe that is all they could do? Geez!
The "new" pedal is definitely a CTS and my GUESS is that the only difference is that the factory installed the shim...not the dealer.
THAT NEW SHAPE IS REALLY p%^&$ poor looking IMHO!
#3124 of 3623 Re: Car nuts... [imidazol97]
May 14, 2010 (10:11 am)
I guess everybody is different,but at age 73 I don't consider myself any worse a driver than when I was younger.To even suggest that everyone over 70 is senile(and they are,you know)is just insulting,
#3125 of 3623 Re: Car nuts... [mickeyrom]
May 14, 2010 (10:58 am)
I agree. I have seen a lot worse 18-25 year old drivers than 70-75 year olds. And accident statistics agree with me.
#3126 of 3623 Re: Consumer Reports Annual Auto Issue [mickeyrom]
May 14, 2010 (3:21 pm)
I am a recent refugee from the Edmunds Toyota Forum where I had purchased a new 2009 Toyota XLE Corolla (top of that line) I will shorten this up but after having their "shim fix" done to the gas pedal, I was still unhappy so I opted for an entire new assembly. A picture appeared yesterday where they reshaped the pedal as part 2 of that recall....what a butchery it is.
Even though I do not count Toyota out......
as luck would have it, a few days ago, I decided to bite the bullet and trade it in....For an extremely low mileage, extremely clean Subaru Outback (I would say it was about dead center in the 2.5L premium ;lineup...Just enough to keep me happy! (We had a terrible winter and I decided to get a used "mid" sized AWD auto for this year (my 1st used vehicle ever, and I am.....lets just say over 62!
I am not buying into the Toyota story about the fault lying with the older segment of society (driving their Toyotas, to the market segment they were esigned for!!!! !!!!
(well maybe like everything else, maybe a few of us oldies!)...IMHO there is definitely something "a brewing under that hood"....and it ain't a gas pedal, floormats, or their implementation of EPS (Electric power steering)...ITS CALLED A RUSH TO MARKET!"
I never kept a car more than 2 yrs antyway but nwas not really happy about being "forced" out, and not when I felt like it! TO KEEP IT SHORT....NEVER KEEP THOSE GUYS AT TOYOTA DOWN!!!! THEY WILL BE BACK IMHO!
As for my 2008 Outlander, in the couple of days I have owned it, I am pleased. I have never owned a smaller mid sized AWD before. Always been a larger AWD because of our climate.....I think I am going to like this though.....DESPITE YHE XTRA $$ i HAD TO GIVE UP ON THE TOYOTA TRADE! It is not easy getting out of anything that says Toyota on it! (LOL)
For those trapped under water ij theirs, my sympathies and I hope they get something from the class action that is sure to follow (something other than a coupon for a discount on another Toyota...In all these years, It was my 1st Yota...definitely my last! Mostly due to the way they handled themselves
May 15, 2010 (10:37 am)
I drove an '86 GL 4wd wagon for 14 years and an '02 fancy Forester for 5. I just sold my '06 Avalon to a coworker and bought a '10 HL Limited. Had more trouble, small things, with the 2 Subarus than anything else since a '67 Chevy. I had a new '87 Camry LE that was pretty good once the water pump was replaced. The '92 Camry LE ate motor mounts, blew a fuse panel and had a door handle break.
The old Chevys were the only ones that ever had the throttle stick open. The '70 was worse than the '67.
The front sub-frame members on the '86 Subaru finally rusted through, but the engine was still running. Got $250 for the car. 14 years/cost $11k new, not bad.
#3128 of 3623 Re: If anyone cares [gizzer777]
May 22, 2010 (7:26 pm)
Something is very wrong at Toyota (to say the least). This will probably be my last post in the Corolla Forum, but I thought I would share this:
1) The used Subaru move seems to have been a good one for me (SO FAR and still have a bit left on the warranty to boot)
BUT while vacuuming it today, I noticed something very (apparently simple....and Toyota OWNS a good part of Subaru. I wonder wthe final tab will be on all the recalls (BILLIONS)
Under my gas pedal is an oem half domed object (about like a golf ball cut in half size). Why reshape pedals, floors, carpets and the rest. This little dealy bob seems to at least stop the pedal getting stuck in the carpet...Must have cost Subaru at least $.15 cents apiece!!!! I believe they build the Subarus in the same plant that Toyota builds some Camarys in too!
The thickness of both the mats and carpet is at least double + that of the Corolla and those da^&% Corolla mats were $200!
I still wish you all good luck!
#3129 of 3623 Floor Mats in new 2010 Rav4
May 23, 2010 (11:29 am)
Just got a new 2010 RAV4. It was assembled in Canada earlier this month (May, 2010) with 90% Japanese parts. I could not help but notice the new floor mats fall well short of reaching the pedals and do not seem to move at all when hooked to the anchors. They also come with warning labels stapled the drivers side mat (to be removed by the purchaser only) that warn against using any other mat and to not let them get near the pedals, in five languages. It almost made me laugh!
#3130 of 3623 Re: Floor Mats in new 2010 Rav4 [novacouple]
May 23, 2010 (1:46 pm)
Got to be very clear to some stupid folks out there who dont think and use inappropriate floor mats !
Nothing wrong with Toyotas as you will realize !!
#3131 of 3623 Re: Floor Mats in new 2010 Rav4 [deltheking]
May 23, 2010 (2:34 pm)
no, the real problem is that Toyota engineers couldn''t design a vehicle that could accomodate 2 mats placed one over the other.