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#3023 of 3623 Re: New Case : Camry SUA !! [lemko]
Apr 01, 2010 (6:02 am)
Oh, there are plenty:
SUA not involving 'Yotas
A Long Island doctor crashes his BMW into a storefront Hanukkah party. A Rhode Island man rams his pickup into a house. An Arizona woman drives her Pontiac into a burger joint. An Australian football pro launches his truck into a parked car in which an elderly woman is sleeping in the backseat.
What these accidents (and many like them) have in common is that they didn’t involve a Toyota and the drivers freely blamed themselves for stepping on the wrong pedal or getting a foot entangled in an out-of-place floor mat. Such incidents happen all the time—and would make apt fodder for complaints to regulators about “unintended acceleration” if anyone cared to file them. Herein may lie the beginning of wisdom about Toyota’s mysteriously high level of sudden-acceleration complaints compared to most (but not all) car makers.
Then there’s this: In 2001, at least four papers were presented at the annual meeting of the Trial Lawyers Association urging a revival of sudden unintended acceleration litigation, insisting that such cases could prevail in absence of evidence of a defect, and even amid evidence of driver error, simply by harping in front of a jury on a record of “Other Similar Incidents” (OSI).
That’s the roadmap being followed now, as lawyer Randy Roberts told CNBC this week: “Toyota is very good at taking one consumer complaint about sudden unintended acceleration and dissecting it and convincing you that it may have been a floor mat or driver error or a sticky pedal. But when you put all those complaints out on the table, then you can see the big picture. That’s how you connect the dots.”
Huh? The logic here is ridiculous. To wit: 15 examples of X causing Y are proof that something other than X must cause Y.
Industrious bloggers lately have shown that drivers in many Toyota incidents were disproportionately old—and an electronic gremlin shouldn’t discriminate by age. Then again, older drivers may be more inclined to complain, or more likely to respond badly to vehicular misbehavior that wouldn’t trouble a younger driver. One pattern, though, is unmistakable: Complaints beget complaints.
#3024 of 3623 Re: New Case : Camry SUA !! [larsb]
Apr 01, 2010 (6:34 am)
No one has come up with a reasonable answer for this question, that myself and others have asked. Why would someone complain about SUA when no accident is involved, if they pushed on the wrong pedal? I would be ashamed to even think about complaining if that happened. And there are 1000s of complaints about SUA where the customer was able to get the car under control and no accident occurred. And overwhelmingly it is with Toyota and Lexus vehicles.
So now we have to accept that Toyota & Lexus owners are Whiners, complainers, incompetent, idiots and just plain lousy drivers, if we believe the Faithful here and the biased media sources. Not convincing me of that. Toyota has electronic problems. If NASA finds the problem, the Feds should sue Toyota for all the R&D involved. We have already spent too many tax dollars on Toyota's SUA problems.
#3025 of 3623 Re: New Case : Camry SUA !! [gagrice]
Apr 01, 2010 (6:39 am)
Maybe it's a conspiracy put together by GM workers who were laid off !!!
#3026 of 3623 Re: New Case : Camry SUA !! [larsb]
Apr 01, 2010 (6:47 am)
That theory has been suggested. That Obama is trying to get his car company back to making money. I don't think it is working. Ford & Hyundai are making all the gains.
#3027 of 3623 Re: New Case : Camry SUA !! [gagrice]
Apr 01, 2010 (7:05 am)
In reality, we only have a few cases where it can be said for certain that something might have gone wrong with the car.
Sikes - no way.
Cali CHP and his family - still questions as to why he did not put the car in neutral, but looks like there was definitely a serious problem with the car.
All those deaths that are being assigned to Toyota SUA - no proof in any of those cases that something was wrong with the car.
NY Prius - foot on the gas.
Congress cry-baby lady - the car is fine.
There are really VERY FEW "CERTAIN CASES" of the car apparently acting strangely.
And I can't recall a single case at all that we KNOW a floor mat was stuck.
#3028 of 3623 Re: New Case : Camry SUA !! [fezo]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Apr 01, 2010 (7:39 am)
My dad got pulled over for speeding when he was 85. I was so proud of him!
My mom got tagged by photo radar for speeding when she was 85. She quit driving that week.
Lars, we really don't know if the trooper tried to put the Lexus in neutral or not do we? He may have tried but nothing may have happened.
#3029 of 3623 Re: akio toyoda leaves in a black AUDI after interview ! [ben66]
Apr 01, 2010 (4:00 pm)
>with the Japanese network NHK as he left his hotel in Davos, Switzerland. After the interview he was seen leaving in a black Audi.
He's no dummy. He doesn't want to be in a car with unintended acceleration!!!
#3030 of 3623 Re: New Case : Camry SUA !! [larsb]
Apr 01, 2010 (4:19 pm)
>pressed gas instead of brake.
Having seen the pictures, I really have to doubt she was in a situation where she had her foot off the gas and thought she was applying the brake. If she drives two-footed, she had a foot on the brake after pulling off the street and into what probably was the second diagonal space from the street. If she drives one-footed, she probably didn't even need to apply the gas and had her foot on the brake as she rolled into the space.
I think a better blame game is needed. Like, she applied the brake pedal 255 times since some start of time period on the EDR. Or she didn't know how to shift into neutral during the 1-second it took from the parking space over the lawn and into the side of the building. Or she was faking it hoping for a large legal settlement.
Or she was busy calling her husband on the phone when she should have been panicking.
Blame on wrong pedal doesn't wash. Most people would roll in off the street with their foot on the brake and idle their way into the diagonal parking space with their foot on the brake already.