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#2893 of 3623 Real people releate SUA/UA Events
Mar 19, 2010 (4:49 pm)
I just got back and was seaching the news sites. Came across these, and am just passing along. Pople relating their SUA/UA events.
Kevin Haggerty, Pittstown, NJ
"Kevin Haggerty, owner of a 2007 Avalon, experienced SUA multiple times; he did not have accessory floor mats, and the OE mats were secured in place. Haggerty reported five SUA events. Several times, the vehicle accelerated without his foot on the gas pedal. The engine would return to idle after driving a few miles or after the Avalon shut down and restarted or was stopped and put into park. Haggerty’s vehicle was checked at the dealership, but they could find nothing wrong. According to his NHTSA complaint:
“Then on 12/28/09 I was driving to work on a major highway. The car began to accelerate without my foot on the gas pedal. As I pushed on the brake, the car continued to accelerate. At that time I was not able to stop my vehicle by pressing hard on the brake. The only way I was able to slow the car down was to put the car into neutral. I took the next exit, which was the exit for the Toyota dealership. I called the dealership and told the service manager to meet me outside because I was experiencing acceleration problems. I drove approximately 5 miles by alternating from neutral to drive and pressing very firmly on the brakes. As I pulled into the front of the dealership I put the car into neutral and exited the car. With the brakes smoking from the excessive braking and the car’s rpm’s racing the manager entered my car. He confirmed that the mats were properly in place and confirmed the rpm’s were very high.”
Toyota Response: The Toyota dealer contacted Toyota’s regional representative in Caldwell, NJ who later inspected the vehicle, but did not provide details of this inspection to Haggerty. However, Toyota Motor Sales authorized replacement of the throttle body and accelerator pedal assemblies and sensors and paid for the $1700 repairs and rental car costs. The Toyota dealer told Haggerty that the vehicle’s computer had stored no error codes and they were unsure whether the repairs would fix the vehicle."
Toyota repair work
Haggerty testified at hearing. You can watch his testimony
at hearing on website. Link at bottom of article
Brian Blackman and Rosemary Moran, Powell River, British Columbia, Canada
"Blackman and Moran owned a low-mileage, five-week-old 2010 RAV4. On Nov. 11th, Brian Blackman phoned his wife, Rosemary and reported: “Something terrible just happened.” Blackman was driving into the driveway, and was almost stopped and ready to put the car into park, when the RAV4 took off. Blackman put his foot on the brake, but the vehicle continued to accelerate. Blackman slammed the vehicle into Park and the vehicle stopped, but the engine continued to race. He pressed the stop/ start button and finally, the engine quit. The incident occurred in a matter of 4-5 seconds, but the experience really shook him up. He realized that had he not reacted, he would have crashed into the deck of their home. After the incident, the couple turned to the dealer, Rice Toyota of Vancouver Island, for a refund.
Toyota Response: Three engineers came to inspect the vehicle, and after two days, the couple got a call from Toyota Canada would buy back the vehicle. On Nov. 22, Blackman said that he signed the vehicle over to Toyota and was told that the vehicle was going to Japan or California for further analysis.
Rosemary Moran said via e-mail : “Toyota gave us all our money back, (over $40,000 Canadian). They have never said why we were given our money back. They said they couldn’t find anything wrong with our car, but took it away to examine it and they said that they would get back to us when they found out what the problem was. We have not heard one word.”
Michael Teston, Maaumelle, AR
"Michael Teston was driving into a small town in his 2006 4Runner with the cruise control on. He reports tapping the brakes to disengage the cruise, the cruise control then disengaged and the vehicle began to slow. Teston coasted with his foot on the brake as he approached a parking lot for a convenience store. He turned into parking lot at approximately 15 mph, still coasting with his foot on brake. As his speed reduced to approximately 3 to 5 mph, Mr. Teston reports that he heard the ABS brakes activating followed by clicking sound when the engine raced to full-throttle. The vehicle surged forward and hit a pole approximately three feet in front of him. Once the vehicle impacted the pole, the rear of the vehicle began hopping as the rear tires continued to spin. Mr. Teston placed the vehicle into Park and the engine maintained wide-open-throttle until the ignition was turned off. There were two witnesses to the event. Mr. Teston’s vehicle was fitted with OE carpeted floor mats that were in place and secured."
"North Point Toyota in North Little Rock inspected Michael Teston’s vehicle, holding it for three weeks. The dealer determined that there was nothing wrong with the vehicle. A Toyota Technical Specialist examined the vehicle on January 4, 2010. In a letter to Mr. Teston dated February 3, 2010, from Gulf States Toyota, Inc., the company noted that during the inspection, the driver’s floor mat was in place and properly secured and there were “no codes stored in the computer to indicate any product concern or failure.” However, the letter went on to state: “Our Technical Specialist noted that aftermarket pedal covers were installed on the brake and accelerator pedals that increased the length of the pedals, which could have contributed to the accident described.”
Mr. Teston purchased the “aftermarket pedal covers” from a Toyota dealer as a Toyota accessory and these parts were installed by the Toyota dealer."
Click below to see Toyota’s response letter and an enlarged photo of the pedals.
Here is website w articles
#2896 of 3623 Re: Washed your car lately? [steve_]
Mar 19, 2010 (5:40 pm)
Thanks for the link Steve. Have it bookmarked. And yes, other manufacturers have problems with SUA/UA too.
I just posted some people relating their SUA/UA incidents with links provided. Seems like the only way anyone can get answers maybe with a SUA/UA incident is if witnesses, proving by actually presenting auto while in SUA/UA state at dealship, etc. This may be all auto manufacturers.
I saw another one where a 77 yo 120+lb lady had SUA/UA - Was parking & vehicle took off - crashed into building. EMT ambulance crew found her pinned with both feet on brakes. Toyota claimed she had forcefully bended accelerator pedal? Question - does 77 yo 120+ old lady have that much forceful strength? Attorney and her son were present during Toyota tech investigation and they did not see any bending of pedal. Toyota never spoke with ambulance EMT's or witnesses. Toyota tech had no computer or readouts. Lady dies few days later. No law suit.
Some are dirver eror, etc., but does seem real SUA/UA does exist. If anyone has one - hope you have a witness/es.
#2897 of 3623 Re: Real people releate SUA/UA Events [sharonkl]
Mar 20, 2010 (6:14 am)
Wow, many of those reminded me of people describing their UFO experiences !!
#2898 of 3623 Re: ABS... [wwest]
Mar 20, 2010 (6:24 am)
The ABS system going crazy when the computer becomes uncontrollable could be a factor in some of the runaways where people comment "the brakes wouldn't work." Despite lowered vacuum assist on the models with it, if the ABS were continually releasing the brakes because of what it reads as wheels "locking up," that would explain the sense to the driver that the brakes weren't working.
#2899 of 3623 Re: ABS... [imidazol97]
Mar 20, 2010 (6:28 am)
If,if,if.....a frog had wings....
#2900 of 3623 Re: Real people releate SUA/UA Events [houdini1]
Mar 20, 2010 (6:33 am)
I am waiting for a post from somebody who has actually experienced UA.Just one.
#2901 of 3623 Re: Real people releate SUA/UA Events [mickeyrom]
Mar 20, 2010 (7:49 am)
Haggerty was a real SUA/UA.
Haggerty presented auto to manager of dealership in full blown SUA/UA . Had been in complaining of in the past. Repair document is in following post to see what was replaced.
#2902 of 3623 Re: Real people releate SUA/UA Events [sharonkl]
Mar 20, 2010 (7:56 am)
Notice how the Haggarty incident has kind of gone to the back ground. That was a REAL case of UA. Brought to the dealer in that condition. Dealer changed out several parts including the Throttle Body Controller, and said he was not sure that $1700 fix would cure the problem.