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#2745 of 3623 Re: Well I need to see something more conclusive that [gagrice]
Mar 16, 2010 (5:14 am)
I would like to see your sources for cars on the road and numbers of complaints. The ODI site only lets you look up one year, one make, one model at a time. 11 acelleration issues for a 2009 Toyota Camry and 4 for a 2009 Honda Accord. This tells me very little because I don't know how many are on the road or how many vehicle miles driven were involved. Likely if you calculated a confidence interval for the two - they would overlap, indicating a non-significant difference. This site doesn't even have equivalent catagories of complaint for each car so it is hard to tell whether you are even comparing the same issues. So please post where you are getting these numbers. You say you can compute that one is a fractional amount of the other - I would like to check your math. Also age adjustment would be done between models not between manufacturers, Corollas will have a different demographic than Avalons, Cobalts a differnt demographic than Cadillacs.
#2746 of 3623 Re: NY Times editorial [lemko]
Mar 16, 2010 (5:22 am)
Besides, why are we even talking about GM here? Isn't this a Toyota forum?
Don't ask me, you are the one that brought it up by bragging on your 70's Buick!! It seems some folks will settle for anything and are easy to please.
#2747 of 3623 Report - Toyota Prius manuel says - no Neutral vehicle moving
Mar 16, 2010 (5:33 am)
RE: Runaway Prius -
Here is report I just came across that is interesting. Report says per Toyota manuel - donot shift into "N", "P", "R" while care is moving. Doing so may cause the engine brake not to operate properly and lead to an accident.
Do not turn the hybrid system off while driving. The power steering and brake actuator will not operate properly if the hybrid system is not operating.”
Appears directions right in Toyota Prius manuel. And more now more info is getting brought out.
If all is factual, which it appears it may be - poor owners could really be confused.
#2748 of 3623 Here is a useful site for actual data
Mar 16, 2010 (5:39 am)
These are complaints to NHTSA (who the devil complains to NHTSA? what are they going to do? but anyway - its data and all manufacturers are represented. I suspect that bad press results in even more complaints for some companies so I'd take these numbers with a grain of salt)
In the far right column are number of incidents per 100000 vehicles sold - far more useful than just Number of complaints - If I sell 10 times more cars than you I should have ten times the complaints all other things being equal.
It also lists vehicles as a percentage of the market. It is only reporting on UA and SUA complalints. As you will see as you change the years involved Toyota does NOT have the highest number of complaints per 100,000 vehicles, I would put them in about 4th or 5th place overall, Volkswagen-Audi is by far the worst followed closely by Suzuki and Jaguar. Toyota and BMW are vying for 4th and 5th place. In addition, Toyota complaints are probably the most consistent year to year - Other manufacturers are WAY up one year and down the next.
#2749 of 3623 Re: Well I need to see something more conclusive that [doidoadiesel]
Mar 16, 2010 (5:48 am)
Edmunds did the work for US. They sorted through 1000s of complaints and tossed the ones that could not be verified with contact or VIN. Showing clearly over the last 5 years that Toyota had more complaints of UA than all other brands combined. Toyota had 7.45 times more than GM. Or GM had 13% as many complaints of UA compared to Toyota.
Toyota, including its Toyota, Lexus and Scion brands, had 1,133 consumer complaints of unintended acceleration filed with NHTSA through Feb. 3. The complaints cover model years 2005 to 2010. Toyota's number of complaints for unintended acceleration exceeds similar complaints for the other Big Six manufacturers combined.
#2751 of 3623 Re: Here is a useful site for actual data [doidoadiesel]
Mar 16, 2010 (5:56 am)
These are complaints to NHTSA (who the devil complains to NHTSA? what are they going to do? but anyway
Who would you suggest consumers complain to when the dealer tells you the car is fine? When you know it is not. Complaining to Toyota is like P***ing into the wind. They just toss your complaint in the round file. When a celebrity like the Woz, that has probably sold more Prius through his network of followers than any salesman, cannot get any response from Toyota, how does a regular owner have a chance?
Sadly the NHTSA has been somewhat lax in pursuing Toyota over the last decade. Now all that is changed. Toyota's lying and deception are out for all to see.
#2752 of 3623 Re: NY Times editorial [houdini1]
Mar 16, 2010 (6:07 am)
It was a 1960s Buick. I was just answering another poster's query. I don't believe I settle for anything. If I did, I would just blindly follow the advice of a certain consumer magazine.
#2753 of 3623 Re: Well I need to see something more conclusive that [doidoadiesel]
Mar 16, 2010 (6:09 am)
11 acelleration issues for a 2009 Toyota Camry
You need to go back and dig deeper into the ODI. There are at least 136 complaints of UA and possibly 170 complaints on the 2009 Camry. You have to look at unknown and brakes as well. Many people consider it a braking problem when they cannot stop their car. You should compare it to the 2009 Malibu. Which has ZERO complaints of UA or brakes not stopping the car. Toyota has a serious problem with their DBW design. Hiring PR people will not fix their problems.
#2754 of 3623 Re: Report - Toyota Prius manuel says - no Neutral vehicle moving [sharonkl]
Mar 16, 2010 (6:09 am)
Holy smoke! Toyota's own manual contradicts other people's suggestion to shift into Neutral. Maybe Mr. Sikes was one of the few people who read the manual thus fueling his fear of shifting the car into Neutral in case of SUA?